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That'll work definitely, it'd be a great board if you can find it for a decent price.
Remember to get an Am2+ board if you wish to stick with DDR2, and AM3 if you want DDR3
You can use just a 4-pin for it, I'm pretty sure.
The board i mentioned above is Am3 correct? and will the cpu work in either am2 or 3?
    
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The board i mentioned above is Am3 correct? and will the cpu work in either am2 or 3?
Yes , the CPU you re talking about should run in both AM2 + and AM 3 motherboards.
On the AM2 + you will use DDR 2 and on the AM 3 mobo DDR 3 memory.

By the way , your power supply sucks , get a decent one , some cheap Chieftec properly selected , if you can t afford a Corsair or Seasonic.
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I have to agree, I replaced two of those in my family's budget builds with better models. The power supply isn't 480W rated to begin with, it's 330W/480W peak, and the quality is mediocre.
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Originally Posted by Dromihetes View Post
Yes , the CPU you re talking about should run in both AM2 + and AM 3 motherboards.
On the AM2 + you will use DDR 2 and on the AM 3 mobo DDR 3 memory.

By the way , your power supply sucks , get a decent one , some cheap Chieftec properly selected , if you can t afford a Corsair or Seasonic.
Thank you!

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I have to agree, I replaced two of those in my family's budget builds with better models. The power supply isn't 480W rated to begin with, it's 330W/480W peak, and the quality is mediocre.
And i plan to before i get the motherboard, i know i dont need anything really above like 500-600 watts but was looking at the Mushkin 1200w Joule, as for later upgrades i have planned... but am not sure yet, just an idea right now...
    
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I strongly recommend the Antec Earthwatts series for PSU's. The 380 should be all you need, I went with the 430 because I'm paranoid - even with a Fermi powerhungry GPU and quadcore like I got.

The wattage of a PSU is also somewhat misleading - what is really important is how much wattage is on the 12v 'rails'. On a high quality, modern, dependable/reputable brand PSU, the majority of their wattage will be on the 12v rails. On crappy PSU's, you may have less than 50% of the power on the 12v rails, meaning a 500w PSU is more like a 200W psu. So be careful when you buy. You can do a search and look up something to the effect of "12v rail wattage psu" but the calculation is amperage x 12v1 + amperage x 12v2 (assuming there is a 2nd 12v rail). That's the number you need to keep in mind - then, simply google "extreme powercalc" and figure out how much wattage you need.

But all those technical details aside, currently the Earthwatts are the only budget PSU's that are 80+ rated (ie are more than 80% efficient, to be simple about it). There really is no reason to go above 400 watts unless you are doing both SLI/Crossfire 2x GPU solutions and overclocking . Basically, your GPU and CPU are the real power drains, which use the 12v rails - hence, why quality is an issue with PSU's.

IMO corsair/seasonic are unnecessary. No reason for that much power, and Antec's are better for under 500w. As for modular power supplies, those are just ridiculous, as well as ridiculously expensive. Up to you though, pretty sweet imo but not worth the price.

As for later on upgrades, just get the PSU you need, when you need it. They aren't that expensive in the scheme of things. If it really bothers you, just look up what 'possible' upgrades you'd ever need, calculate what power they need, and buy the PSU that matches. A 1200w PSu is ridiculous. Crossfire/SLI isn't that good anyways, compared to single card solutions of the same cost. You are looking at 120-160% increase in performance with that, with the average bost about 140% (read: not 2x). With a 500w PSU you'd never need to upgrade. Period.
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Thank you!

And i plan to before i get the motherboard, i know i dont need anything really above like 500-600 watts but was looking at the Mushkin 1200w Joule, as for later upgrades i have planned... but am not sure yet, just an idea right now...
1200W seems a little to much.You need to get a PSU to load it in the 75%-100% to get the maximum efficiency ,50% the lowest.
I would get some Antec Signature ,Enermax ,Corsair ,Seasonic in the 650- 850W range (they are over 50 Ampers on the 12 V rail/s).
I don t think you would need more .
   
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I strongly recommend the Antec Earthwatts series for PSU's. The 380 should be all you need, I went with the 430 because I'm paranoid - even with a Fermi powerhungry GPU and quadcore like I got.

The wattage of a PSU is also somewhat misleading - what is really important is how much wattage is on the 12v 'rails'. On a high quality, modern, dependable/reputable brand PSU, the majority of their wattage will be on the 12v rails. On crappy PSU's, you may have less than 50% of the power on the 12v rails, meaning a 500w PSU is more like a 200W psu. So be careful when you buy. You can do a search and look up something to the effect of "12v rail wattage psu" but the calculation is amperage x 12v1 + amperage x 12v2 (assuming there is a 2nd 12v rail). That's the number you need to keep in mind - then, simply google "extreme powercalc" and figure out how much wattage you need.

But all those technical details aside, currently the Earthwatts are the only budget PSU's that are 80+ rated (ie are more than 80% efficient, to be simple about it). There really is no reason to go above 400 watts unless you are doing both SLI/Crossfire 2x GPU solutions and overclocking . Basically, your GPU and CPU are the real power drains, which use the 12v rails - hence, why quality is an issue with PSU's.

IMO corsair/seasonic are unnecessary. No reason for that much power, and Antec's are better for under 500w. As for modular power supplies, those are just ridiculous, as well as ridiculously expensive. Up to you though, pretty sweet imo but not worth the price.

As for later on upgrades, just get the PSU you need, when you need it. They aren't that expensive in the scheme of things. If it really bothers you, just look up what 'possible' upgrades you'd ever need, calculate what power they need, and buy the PSU that matches. A 1200w PSu is ridiculous. Crossfire/SLI isn't that good anyways, compared to single card solutions of the same cost. You are looking at 120-160% increase in performance with that, with the average bost about 140% (read: not 2x). With a 500w PSU you'd never need to upgrade. Period.
The CX430 missed 8+ cert by like .5%
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thanks but ive got something planned that will require extra power, but im not sure if its going ti happen so dont worry about that. but thanks for the recommendations! will look into them.
    
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The CX430 missed 8+ cert by like .5%
Right. But the Antec didn't miss it, and maybe even way surpassed it - not to mention it's not just 80+ certified, it's bronze. I believe it's the only bronze at the lower wattages? And, it's cheaper.

CustomX3, most power calcs, like newegg's power calc, give inaccurate reads because they want you to buy more expensive. Extreme power calc is the best power calc I've ever seen, and if you actually calculate your power needs your self (take each component and add it up, or really just take the CPU+GPU) I'm sure you'll realize what your true power needs are.
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On the side note :
Antec ,doesnt make the power supply-es in their factory-es they just put a label on some Seasonic units or whatever they label.They just pick them for the market they want.
Corsair ,doesn t make power supplyes ,they just put a label on CWT or Seasonic uniits.
Chieftec doesnt make power supplyes ,Sirtec or Delta Electronics ,in best cases, make them.
Enermax is the only manufacturer to own the factoryes as well.

So Antec doesnt really control what is selling thats why they failed few years ago with capacitors on some units ,kabooming or bulging.So does Corsair.

The newer CX430 from Corsair are not rated 80% officially from my knowledge and they are not at the level of what 400CX or 450VX were.

Lower power supplyes under 500 wats tend to be treated with disrespect from serious manufacturers as the manufacturers tend to go for the value added units from the upper shelv.

So choosing a PSU from over 500+ W from a good manufacturer should help in getting proper quality and ratings.
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