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I would recommend adding MOSFET cooling to the 770T-USB3 before overclocking... at which point it'd end up costing the same as 870A-UD3 anyway. I recmomend you go for the 870A-UD3.

Updating the list with ASUS AM3+ board names! No details on VRM design though

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Low RDs is not a type of MOSFET. saying that is like saying a high mpg car is a new type of car...wheen in fact it still has four wheels and an engine, the only difference is that it can go further on one gallon of gas compared to its lower mpg counterpart.

RDs: static Drain-Source On-State resistance RDs(on)

RDs is a measurement taken on MOSFET's, it describes how high the operating voltages can be at and lower temperatures it can operate at. Low RDs is a condition of the drain-source resistance. These higher performing MOSFETs are commonly found in late model cars and trucks that have dual voltage rails (42V and 14V bus). They are extremely rugged(dependent on the manufacturing process of course) and thus are used in computer motherboards. They are cheap too, something like 1.99 or less depending on where and who makes them
What you say about low RDS seems very detailed and reliable, however the article I referred to for the majority of my VRM article did not describe low RDS like that... now where is that link...
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RDs: static Drain-Source On-State resistance RDs(on)

RDs is a measurement taken on MOSFET's, it describes how high the operating voltages can be at and lower temperatures it can operate at. Low RDs is a condition of the drain-source resistance. These higher performing MOSFETs are commonly found in late model cars and trucks that have dual voltage rails (42V and 14V bus). They are extremely rugged(dependent on the manufacturing process of course) and thus are used in computer motherboards. They are cheap too, something like 1.99 or less depending on where and who makes them
I m pretty sure that few pages ago i ve said almost the same thing

Except the things with the cars.

But anyway ,you can find good MOSFETS ,from reputable brands, at around 1 dollar with ok RDS On ,ok amperage even in continuos usage with included decoupling diode and 150 Celsius capability without going boom .And so should MSI.
Injecting Nikos junk on the market may be good for Taiwan PIB ,but not for myself

Personally i consider the article from the hardware secrets incomplete and wrong in some places ,but not beeing an engineer i can t supply proper arguments to counter it.

Anyway RDS-On is present in ANY field effect transistor (MOSFET).Maybe there is a confusion with the N-P-N and P-N-P transistors which don t have such a thing as RDS-On as they work differently ,when some people say there are MOSFETS without RDS-On characteristics.
   
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Man... we're gonna learn so much from this thread we're going to make our own motherboards.
lol, I'm beginning to the think the way that prebuilt PC builders like Dell, HP, especially Apple, and even custom build places are complete rip-off, sketchy *******s for just slapping together parts and stamping a name to sell to stupid people, is the same as motherboards (buy a PCB, buy some mosfets from another company, buy capacitors and NB/SD, etc).

The same as Dell doesn't really create a single part in a Dell computer, it seems to me motherboard companies don't really create a single part in the motherboard.
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lol, I'm beginning to the think the way that prebuilt PC builders like Dell, HP, especially Apple, and even custom build places are complete rip-off, sketchy *******s for just slapping together parts and stamping a name to sell to stupid people, is the same as motherboards (buy a PCB, buy some mosfets from another company, buy capacitors and NB/SD, etc).

The same as Dell doesn't really create a single part in a Dell computer, it seems to me motherboard companies don't really create a single part in the motherboard.
well that is the same for just about everything. Walmart sells things made in china, and those items are not or are rarely made by the company that puts their name on the box. It all boils down to the bottom dollar and because we are raising our kids in a "need the new thing" culture the big businesses keep that going with cheap electronics and the such.
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Even then, very few companies actually manufacture/assemble their own boards. I think MSI and Gigabyte are the only two that actually still do (I know for certain that Giga has their own factory, and MSIAlex, the msi rep on here, has said a few times that MSI manufactures their own stuff). I am almost certain that ASUS and eVGA both have their boards manufactured by Foxconn(i think, could be another manu.)
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Even then, very few companies actually manufacture/assemble their own boards. I think MSI and Gigabyte are the only two that actually still do (I know for certain that Giga has their own factory, and MSIAlex, the msi rep on here, has said a few times that MSI manufactures their own stuff). I am almost certain that ASUS and eVGA both have their boards manufactured by Foxconn(i think, could be another manu.)
Take a look at the PCB-s MSI is using now.Even Gigabyte with the Killer board uses same PCB color (along Nikos),which i think is a marker of the fact that at least the PCB-s are made in some other place and not in their own factories.
Just an opinion of mine.

MSI problems is that with the elimination of red PCB-s concindentally also the quality has dropped.

All the black MSI mobos that i ve had died or had issues.Never had serious problems with the red ones.

I think they are going towards laptop and some other stuff in their factories.

2-3 years ago i ve red on some website ,that they (MSI) may retire from motherboard manufacturing , or maybe i remembering it wrong

So they may put the name and engineer them ,but manufacturing may take place somewhere else to get them cheaper.

I may be wrong of course.
   
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MSI intel boards kick ass. The AMD team, just needs to go take a look at what they are doing.


And doesn't the K9A2 plat. have a black pcb
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MSI intel boards kick ass. The AMD team, just needs to go take a look at what they are doing.
That is because there is more money to be made with Intel. AMD has a small market share even though their processors are a much better value. Somehow people are getting convinced that spending $1000 on a cpu to get a "whopping" 8-frames-per-second more is worth it. Nevermind that anything above 60fps is pointless, but who cares? (Then again, I did spend $600 on an oem Athlon X2 4400+ 939 when it was first released when I could have spent $200 less to get the 4200+ and the only difference was less L2 cache).

In any case, the real purpose for my replying to this thread was just to point out that the MSI 890FXA-GD65 is also AM3+ compatible, not to rant about poor consumerism.
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Yo ive got some money and am going to get an am3 board now probably the one i posted above, so whats some good ram to go with it? and when i unlock the cores i will probably have greater heat too!? right so i may need better cooling as mine ranges from 35c to 52c depending on temp in room.

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