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Today we have the first recorded 970A-G45 failure
Looks like the problems of the previous gen were passed on to the next gen, just as I had suspected. How is a massive heatsink going to help when the same transistors and lack of protection are being used...
Really...?

Oh wait, it's MSI.

MSI apparently has lost all ability to maintain quality and still doesn't know how to design a power circuit to withstand the limits of overclocking.
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post #692 of 1597
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It has nothing to do with quality....

I'd say it's more failure to use 'fets rated high enough for the task.

One day someone is going to start a class action lawsuit....
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post #693 of 1597
It's all about quality since it's not always the MOSFET's themselves. Especially on the old GD70's which had blow back into the chokes.

MSI's a combination of cheaped out components and poor design.

Unfortunately, Asus is the same story (but not nearly as dangerous) unless you're buying RoG or TUF boards.
Gigabyte's cheaped out on their recent offerings as well with this Driver MOSFET shenanigans.

So far, Sapphire & Biostar have been real killers for good boards. Though, Sapphire's hard to get on this side of the pond and Biostar still doesn't know what "features" are.
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post #694 of 1597
^ failure to use quality FETs.... = failure to use quality parts.... yeah, has to do with quality
At least we knew about this before it would become a widespread issue when more people are buying these boards.

Such a shame that MSI hasn't had the decency to provide a better lower end VRM design for boards it touts for overclocking. The high end MSI AMD segment has actually improved quite a bit. The 990XA-GD55 has an 8+2 phase, allowing it to contend properly with the 990XA-UD3 and M5A99X. Apparently there is a 990FXA-GD70 soon; I am curious as to whether it will be an 890/790FX-GD70 rehash with the 4+1 phase or continue to use the higher end 8+2 phase (the latter more likely).

The design issues are so widespread, I could blame more than just the FETs. The 890GXM-G65 has seen failures despite that it uses what appear to be better, lower RDS (on) FETs. May be a choke issue no different from the GD70s as Tator Tot mentioned.
Edited by xd_1771 - 10/4/11 at 11:01pm
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990XA-GD55 uses the same poor design thats found on the 890FX-GD65. You can blow it with an x6 in the 4.4 range.
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post #696 of 1597
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you can kill just about any board really.......

GD65 death is not really as widespread as other models, so i wouldn't really call it bad just yet.

I really want to get one now just so i can see what i can do. RMA it to oblivion, and see if i can get a trend....

maybe that is what i will spend my monies on now.
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post #697 of 1597
That's not true. At least Asus & Gigabyte understand limitations and prepare their boards for the event that something catastrophic could happen.

On the Mid-High end boards at least. (970 / 990X type boards.)

Biostar just over-engineers everything so you can slap some normal MOSFET heatsinks on a low end board (like mine) and clock an x6 to the heavens.

Also, the GD65 died 3 times. Once was a failure to post ever again, the other two sparked. All with the same settings which were all within AMD's guidelines as far as Voltages & Temps go.
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post #698 of 1597
Quick question. Can my motherboard handle my 24/7 overclock I've got going now? It's 4.2ghz at 1.55 volts. My motherboard is an 8+1.
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sure, why not
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Quick question. Can my motherboard handle my 24/7 overclock I've got going now? It's 4.2ghz at 1.55 volts. My motherboard is an 8+1.
Old board, reliable design. There's no reason it shouldn't unless something was wrong with the board to begin with.
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