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You won't see 14nm CPUs anytime soon.

Intel will start to experiment with the 14nm fab process in 2013. Which means you will wait a lot more to see one in your desktop.

When we had 65nm CPUs, Intel was already experimenting with 32 and 22nm.

They are always ahead.
We'll see 14nm processors...for Itanium.
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post #32 of 43
man Itanium sounds so bad ass
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Itanium will be so expensive that you will have to sell your car and limbs to buy it and then you cant actually use it.... UNLESS you get a neuro interface..... hmm.... how much did you say I could get for my car and limbs?
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I find your username particularly fitting given your mishaps in this thread. Maybe you meant when color TV was introduced to the U.S., which was 1964 I believe.

Graphene is actually moving along at a startling pace. All my research is on extended graphene defects. We are working on using Nickel templates to produce repeated defects in a sheet of graphene. These defects are producing very interesting semi-conducting properties. My research group believes it may be possible to create p-n junctions without dopants. Graphene will also shrink die sizes from nanometers down to angstroms (an order of 10). It's very exciting stuff, but it's prolly at least a decade away from consumer pcs.

Below is a picture of a defect that has been recreated in a lab by some university of florida researchers. Matthias Batzill, I believe was the main guy's name. Anyway, this is an extended defect structure, that can repeat. It is laid upon a substrate of 111-Ni. If you are interested just PM me.
i don't know enough about graphene to say much, but what's the cost of it being applied? how consistent is it thus far? what temperature operation are we looking at?

also, pmed you
    
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Well some basics on graphene: It is a 2-dimensional lattice of "fennel" rings. It is pure carbon. It forms the little hexagons you see in my picture. Graphene has been predicted for a long time, but until just recently our technology could not realize it. It is very expensive to make partially due to the scale we are working on (angstroms).

It was just recently discovered, and ironically, the easiest way we had of making it was putting scotch tape on a block or graphite and then pulling it off. This wasn't terribly useful, as it produced nice fennel rings, but it was stuck to scotch tape. Recently, due to the large amount of research and money that has been poured into it, we have been making a lot of progress towards affordable production.

Intel, Sun, all the major companies are burning away dollars in R&D on it. They have been trying the "standard" ways of making circuits with it; experimenting with directly substituting silicon with graphene. In my opinion this is really a waste because graphene has soo much potential outside traditional "fixes" we have used with silicon.

This is where my research comes in. I am looking at making defects in graphene that produce semi-conducting properties. I haven't focused on transistors or even simple p-n junctions; I am just predicting defects, and looking for electronic properties in those defects. So far it is very promising.
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Well some basics on graphene: It is a 2-dimensional lattice of "fennel" rings. It is pure carbon. It forms the little hexagons you see in my picture. Graphene has been predicted for a long time, but until just recently our technology could not realize it. It is very expensive to make partially due to the scale we are working on (angstroms).

It was just recently discovered, and ironically, the easiest way we had of making it was putting scotch tape on a block or graphite and then pulling it off. This wasn't terribly useful, as it produced nice fennel rings, but it was stuck to scotch tape. Recently, due to the large amount of research and money that has been poured into it, we have been making a lot of progress towards affordable production.

Intel, Sun, all the major companies are burning away dollars in R&D on it. They have been trying the "standard" ways of making circuits with it; experimenting with directly substituting silicon with graphene. In my opinion this is really a waste because graphene has soo much potential outside traditional "fixes" we have used with silicon.

This is where my research comes in. I am looking at making defects in graphene that produce semi-conducting properties. I haven't focused on transistors or even simple p-n junctions; I am just predicting defects, and looking for electronic properties in those defects. So far it is very promising.
i work with analyzing metal contents of samples on tiny levels in my research. (we have an ICP), and we go down to the parts per billion concentrations in slurries and samples like that, so i know how much things can suck to work with tiny sizes of things. The reason we've liked silicon thus far is because it makes a really good solid, just the perfect density and structure for what we've needed. With graphene I don't see the structure being like a wall like silicon, it looks more like it can go in any direction...have you had any trouble with that?

what I'm kind of seeing is a mix of silicon (to give the structure and semi conducting properties to the graphene)...like using an ionizing spray to attach the graphene to a silicon wall and then taking it off the wall, where silicon would have placed itself within the structure of the graphene...

like i said, i don't know enough to really judge what will happen, only speculate some
    
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next will be 2P mainstream desktops XD.
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Mother effer.....

God damn TV. I heard that on TV...
damn TV....
What the H--L are they teaching our kids in school these days.

I read some of this and can't believe we are suppose to be the
most techno country in the world.

UNBELIEVABLE

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i work with analyzing metal contents of samples on tiny levels in my research. (we have an ICP), and we go down to the parts per billion concentrations in slurries and samples like that, so i know how much things can suck to work with tiny sizes of things. The reason we've liked silicon thus far is because it makes a really good solid, just the perfect density and structure for what we've needed. With graphene I don't see the structure being like a wall like silicon, it looks more like it can go in any direction...have you had any trouble with that?

what I'm kind of seeing is a mix of silicon (to give the structure and semi conducting properties to the graphene)...like using an ionizing spray to attach the graphene to a silicon wall and then taking it off the wall, where silicon would have placed itself within the structure of the graphene...

like i said, i don't know enough to really judge what will happen, only speculate some
See, that's the problem, most of the industry is trying to treat graphene like silicon, but it doesn't really work the same way. I'm working on producing graphene with patterned defects that will produce electronic properties. So basically no dopants to get electron transport, just a series of defects that produce similiar electron gaps.

We are using the 111 Nickel slab because Ni-Ni bonds very closely line up with the C-C bonds in a graphene fennel. You can see this in the picture, every fennel is centered over a Nickel atom.
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See, that's the problem, most of the industry is trying to treat graphene like silicon, but it doesn't really work the same way. I'm working on producing graphene with patterned defects that will produce electronic properties. So basically no dopants to get electron transport, just a series of defects that produce similiar electron gaps.

We are using the 111 Nickel slab because Ni-Ni bonds very closely line up with the C-C bonds in a graphene fennel. You can see this in the picture, every fennel is centered over a Nickel atom.
I see, so the nickel slab is the base. that makes sense, but how are you attaching the graphene to the nickel? i see that in the honeycomb structure there's a bond free at each intersection. is this where the nickel is being attached? if so, are you using a spray to get the thinness across or something more precise?
    
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