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Hey guys! I am making a retro gaming PC using some old parts and want to use windows 98 as my OS. The 250 GB HDD I have installed has XP on it and I want to format it. Will the windows 98 CD format it for me? Thanks!
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maybe. Im not sure DOS 6 will recognise a hdd that big if you've got sata there is no chance
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please post pics and specs, I am very interested

Why dont you have Windows 2000??
    
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why not just use dosbox
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...Or run 7 and an EMU and change the theme.
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maybe. Im not sure DOS 6 will recognise a hdd that big if you've got sata there is no chance
IIRC, it has been a long time. Windows 95/98 have a limitation on HDD size of 137GB. This is due to FAT32, and total possible sectors that can be handled by the OS.

It may be possible to format the HDD on an XP/Vista/7 system to two partitions formatted in FAT32 using the Diskpart utility, but I am not sure.

Someone correct me if my memory fails me.

...and as Squeeky mentioned, SATA on the Motherboard.. you are out of luck. Windows did not recognize SATA until XP SP1. You can't even install an original XP disc (no service pack) onto a computer with SATA ports without first slipstreaming it to SP-1.
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If you want Windows 98, first you should consider Windows 98 Second Edition, which is better.

Then, you have to take into consideration Windows 98/SE does not like computers with more than 512Mb of RAM installed; it might get unstable. There are unofficial fixes for that, but I'm not familiar with them.

And then, consider this: why do you need Windows 98/SE ? You know you won't easily find a current web browser that supports it. Maybe Opera still does, I'm not sure. Are you fine with that ?

The same thing with Anti-virus. I'm not sure, perhaps Avast still makes a compatible version. They were one of the few that still did, but that was at least two years ago the last time I checked.

The same thing with Firewall software. You might get one or two firewall programs for free that work, but they are not recent.

Then you have the USB pens/sticks problem. Some older pens came with a driver CD to install a driver to recognize when you plugged in a usb pen in Windows 98. Newer pens don't, so you need to dig for some driver that could eventually do that, because Windows 98 never did it on it's own like Windows XP.


If you're ok with all these things, you still have the problem that Windows 98 won't format the HDD to anything bigger than 137GB. tha is a limitation of HDD addressing, which was only solved by Service Pack 1 for Windows XP.

So, even if Windows 98 can format your disk, it won't recognize the whole of it. Nor will it work with the rest afterward either.

With some tweaks here and there, you can probably run every single game using Windows XP. For those old DOS games that simply refuse to work with Windows XP directly (even in compatibility mode) you can always use DOSBox (which is a DOS emulator, which has a lot of nice GUI front-ends for you to add your old games easily), or ScummVM, which is a nice graphical program that enables you to play a lot of adventure games, not only those from Lucas Arts, but many more.

Cheers!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by xandypx View Post
IIRC, it has been a long time. Windows 95/98 have a limitation on HDD size of 137GB. This is due to FAT32, and total possible sectors that can be handled by the OS.

It may be possible to format the HDD on an XP/Vista/7 system to two partitions formatted in FAT32 using the Diskpart utility, but I am not sure.

Someone correct me if my memory fails me.

...and as Squeeky mentioned, SATA on the Motherboard.. you are out of luck. Windows did not recognize SATA until XP SP1. You can't even install an original XP disc (no service pack) onto a computer with SATA ports without first slipstreaming it to SP-1.


It's not exactly like that: yes, the limitation is of 137GB, but it's nott due to FAT32; it's because of the 28-bit LBA Addressing Windows used to address Hard Disk space. You can still buy external HDD's today that are way larger than 137GB and they use FAT32 for compatibility with the MAC/Linux out of the box.

Windows XP came with NTFS as the default file system, but still only could address 137GB. Only service pack 1 corrected that, implementing 48-bit adressing, which has a much bigger limit (petabytes - Here for more info: http://www.48bitlba.com/overview.htm). That is why I had to slipstream the Service Pack into my original 2001 XP installation disk when I switched to a bigger HDD than the original 40GB one.


EDIT: Oh, yes, of course, Rust1d?, SATA HDD's are not going to get you Windows 98 installed on them. IF it's ATA, you're ok.
Edited by tpi2007 - 2/21/11 at 8:37am
 
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It's not exactly like that: yes, the limitation is of 137GB, but it's nott due to FAT32; it's because of the 28-bit LBA Addressing Windows used to address Hard Disk space. You can still buy external HDD's today that are way larger than 137GB and they use FAT32 for compatibility with the MAC/Linux out of the box.

Windows XP came with NTFS as the default file system, but still only could address 137GB. Only service pack 1 corrected that, implementing 48-bit adressing, which has a much bigger limit (petabytes - Here for more info: http://www.48bitlba.com/overview.htm). That is why I had to slipstream the Service Pack into my original 2001 XP installation disk when I switched to a bigger HDD than the original 40GB one.
Thanks for the correction... I didn't want to look it up, so I guess my memory did fail me. I knew there was something that limited HDD space, but the 137GB limit stuck out... LOL. I'm getting too old for this.
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A VM will play games in 98 perfectly if thats what your after ?
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