Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Video Game News › [ArsTechnica] "OtherOS" class-action lawsuit: GeoHot, Sony now share same charge
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

[ArsTechnica] "OtherOS" class-action lawsuit: GeoHot, Sony now share same charge - Page 16

post #151 of 172
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stealth Pyros View Post
Yessir, each and every game that requires newer firmware or PSN access notes such requirements on its retail box. If your PS3 is not capable of accessing PSN due to outdated firmware, that neat little disclaimer holds Sony totally free of liability.

@ mushroomboy, OtherOS is by no means a "major function" (correct term is primary function) of the PS3. That will be up to the courts to decide. If it was never advertised as its main function, it isn't. It's hard to give an example of another product that has worked this way but I'm pretty confident the PS3 isn't the first. Primary functions of the PS3 include Blu-Ray capability, the ability to play PS3 games, the ability to output through HDMI video/audio, and output through optical audio. Pretty sure that's about all the primary functions of the PS3. PSN is a free service that may be terminated at any time just like any MMO service (All Points Bulletin, Hellgate London) is shut off.
Yeah, it will be determined in court, and as I've said I wish I could predict the future. =P However, it doesn't matter if we were presented an EULA or the legality of an EULA. Despite that the argument is what the primary functions are and whether or not Sony removed them in a way that was illegal. Which could be proven, the glove didn't fit after all ( I actually don't think he killed her, but you know the saying is still good ). So we'll see, I just don't like people saying that they have the legal right just because it's in the EULA. That the EULA is "approved and official" by the law, which it isn't. The EULA is no different than a Civil contract, such as a loan or something. It can give them rights to do certain things, but it's usually defined within consumer laws and regulation. Generally if there is no law that can support the wording of the EULA in any sense it can't be sustained. But anyways, that's way off topic. Whether or not Sony was in their rights, regardless of EULA, has yet to be determined.
Current Rig
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX-8350 4.6GHz@1.44v GA-990FXA-UD3 R4.0 HD 7950 (1100/1450) 8G Muskin DDR3 1866@8CLS 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
1TB WD LiteOn DVD-RW DL Linux/Windows 19" Phillips TV 1080p 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
OCZ 600W Generic Junk Logitech MX400 Generic Junk 
Audio
SBL 5.1 
  hide details  
Reply
Current Rig
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX-8350 4.6GHz@1.44v GA-990FXA-UD3 R4.0 HD 7950 (1100/1450) 8G Muskin DDR3 1866@8CLS 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
1TB WD LiteOn DVD-RW DL Linux/Windows 19" Phillips TV 1080p 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
OCZ 600W Generic Junk Logitech MX400 Generic Junk 
Audio
SBL 5.1 
  hide details  
Reply
post #152 of 172
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stealth Pyros View Post
Yessir, each and every game that requires newer firmware or PSN access notes such requirements on its retail box. If your PS3 is not capable of accessing PSN due to outdated firmware, that neat little disclaimer holds Sony totally free of liability.

@ mushroomboy, OtherOS is by no means a "major function" (correct term is primary function) of the PS3. That will be up to the courts to decide. If it was never advertised as its main function, it isn't. It's hard to give an example of another product that has worked this way but I'm pretty confident the PS3 isn't the first. Primary functions of the PS3 include Blu-Ray capability, the ability to play PS3 games, the ability to output through HDMI video/audio, and output through optical audio. Pretty sure that's about all the primary functions of the PS3. PSN is a free service that may be terminated at any time just like any MMO service (All Points Bulletin, Hellgate London) is shut off.
so just cause it wasnt touted as a primary function, they can remove it. Well you know what, USB wasnt touted as a primary function but i bet you never think they could disable it. Same with MP3 playback. I think you are forgetting, even sony says it does everything in there commercials. That right there is false advertising as it cant even do everything my manual says it can. Sony cant say one thing, then do another. I agree, sony will end up winning prob. but it will be there deep pockets that help them, not the law. They clearly violated C.F.A.A. laws. And would you mind showing me where it states, on the outside of a game, that you may not be able to play it if you dont agree to any EULA??? pretty sure it dosnt as none of my games say that. Fact is, nothing says it until you push that shiny little disc into the ps3 and it goes.....update required. And by that point, the update is not optional, its mandatory.
Haf of an 2500K
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
I5 2500K MSI GD65 GTX 580 Windforce G Skill ECO 
Hard DriveOSKeyboardPower
64GB A-Data SSD+500GB F3 Win7 Razer Blackwidow 750W Black Edition 
CaseMouseMouse Pad
HAF 932 Razer Deathadder X-Trac Ripper 
  hide details  
Reply
Haf of an 2500K
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
I5 2500K MSI GD65 GTX 580 Windforce G Skill ECO 
Hard DriveOSKeyboardPower
64GB A-Data SSD+500GB F3 Win7 Razer Blackwidow 750W Black Edition 
CaseMouseMouse Pad
HAF 932 Razer Deathadder X-Trac Ripper 
  hide details  
Reply
post #153 of 172
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Destroyer View Post
so just cause it wasnt touted as a primary function, they can remove it. Well you know what, USB wasnt touted as a primary function but i bet you never think they could disable it. Same with MP3 playback. I think you are forgetting, even sony says it does everything in there commercials. That right there is false advertising as it dosnt do everything my manual says it can. Sony cant say one thing, then do another. I agree, sony will end up winning prob. but it will be there deep pockets that help them, not the law. They clearly violated C.F.A.A. laws. And would you mind showing me where it states, on the outside of a game, that you may not be able to play it if you dont agree to any EULA??? pretty sure it dosnt as none of my games say that. Fact is, nothing says it until you push that shiny little disc into the ps3 and it goes.....update required. And by that point, the update is not optional, its mandatory.
Also, by laws you aren't entitled to a refund. All sales are legally final, period. So technically if you don't get PSN access they just lied to you about a feature. Which is why I think there is yet good leverage in this case.
Current Rig
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX-8350 4.6GHz@1.44v GA-990FXA-UD3 R4.0 HD 7950 (1100/1450) 8G Muskin DDR3 1866@8CLS 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
1TB WD LiteOn DVD-RW DL Linux/Windows 19" Phillips TV 1080p 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
OCZ 600W Generic Junk Logitech MX400 Generic Junk 
Audio
SBL 5.1 
  hide details  
Reply
Current Rig
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX-8350 4.6GHz@1.44v GA-990FXA-UD3 R4.0 HD 7950 (1100/1450) 8G Muskin DDR3 1866@8CLS 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
1TB WD LiteOn DVD-RW DL Linux/Windows 19" Phillips TV 1080p 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
OCZ 600W Generic Junk Logitech MX400 Generic Junk 
Audio
SBL 5.1 
  hide details  
Reply
post #154 of 172
Quote:
Originally Posted by mushroomboy View Post
Also, by laws you aren't entitled to a refund. All sales are legally final, period. So technically if you don't get PSN access they just lied to you about a feature. Which is why I think there is yet good leverage in this case.
ohh, when i was refering to a refund, i was infereing to a payout to stop lawsuits. The Class-action lawsuit is the best way to handle this. It will let a judge set a legal standing on this. BUT i think it might backfire for all the people here on oc.net. It will putforth a scary way of companies to do business, it could make it illegal to flash cpu's or even to overclock a computer. What this could show is anything with any programing on it(ie dvd players, MB's, GPU's, MP3 players) are not legally yours and you dont own them.
Haf of an 2500K
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
I5 2500K MSI GD65 GTX 580 Windforce G Skill ECO 
Hard DriveOSKeyboardPower
64GB A-Data SSD+500GB F3 Win7 Razer Blackwidow 750W Black Edition 
CaseMouseMouse Pad
HAF 932 Razer Deathadder X-Trac Ripper 
  hide details  
Reply
Haf of an 2500K
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
I5 2500K MSI GD65 GTX 580 Windforce G Skill ECO 
Hard DriveOSKeyboardPower
64GB A-Data SSD+500GB F3 Win7 Razer Blackwidow 750W Black Edition 
CaseMouseMouse Pad
HAF 932 Razer Deathadder X-Trac Ripper 
  hide details  
Reply
post #155 of 172
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Destroyer View Post
so just cause it wasnt touted as a primary function, they can remove it. Well you know what, USB wasnt touted as a primary function but i bet you never think they could disable it. Same with MP3 playback.
And just how are they going to charge the controllers? Brain-waves? And just how are they going to stream music? FLAC? WAV? Yes, let's make lossless formats that 0% of the human race can tell the difference between in sound quality a standard while chewing up insane amounts of HDD space. Better yet, let's just have people hum music across a room to other people that will repeat it.

USB and MP3 aren't the issue here. They removed OtherOS because of a large potential for a security flaw. Quit trying to bring your silly nonsensical scenarios into this. This is about OtherOS and the opportunity to exploit the security of the PS3.
post #156 of 172
Quote:
Originally Posted by XNine View Post
And just how are they going to charge the controllers? Brain-waves? And just how are they going to stream music? FLAC? WAV? Yes, let's make lossless formats that 0% of the human race can tell the difference between in sound quality a standard while chewing up insane amounts of HDD space. Better yet, let's just have people hum music across a room to other people that will repeat it.

USB and MP3 aren't the issue here. They removed OtherOS because of a large potential for a security flaw. Quit trying to bring your silly nonsensical scenarios into this. This is about OtherOS and the opportunity to exploit the security of the PS3.
sony sells ps3 chargers......dont think they will remove it? alot of us never thought they would remove OtherOS and look where we are now. NO, this is not about exploits, sony could have forced a update on all ps3's if it really was a threat to the security of the ps3. legally they could have as protecting the security of the system is covered under eula and some retail protection laws. BUT making it optional means it wasnt as big of a security issue as they led you to beleive.
Haf of an 2500K
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
I5 2500K MSI GD65 GTX 580 Windforce G Skill ECO 
Hard DriveOSKeyboardPower
64GB A-Data SSD+500GB F3 Win7 Razer Blackwidow 750W Black Edition 
CaseMouseMouse Pad
HAF 932 Razer Deathadder X-Trac Ripper 
  hide details  
Reply
Haf of an 2500K
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
I5 2500K MSI GD65 GTX 580 Windforce G Skill ECO 
Hard DriveOSKeyboardPower
64GB A-Data SSD+500GB F3 Win7 Razer Blackwidow 750W Black Edition 
CaseMouseMouse Pad
HAF 932 Razer Deathadder X-Trac Ripper 
  hide details  
Reply
post #157 of 172
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Destroyer View Post
ohh, when i was refering to a refund, i was infereing to a payout to stop lawsuits. The Class-action lawsuit is the best way to handle this. It will let a judge set a legal standing on this. BUT i think it might backfire for all the people here on Overclock.net. It will putforth a scary way of companies to do business, it could make it illegal to flash cpu's or even to overclock a computer. What this could show is anything with any programing on it(ie dvd players, MB's, GPU's, MP3 players) are not legally yours and you dont own them.
Oh, when i say refund though I mean if you buy the game and can't use it by law you aren't entitled to get your money back. Sony, and the store you purchased it from, has the ability to say tough luck. Basically making the customer SOL. This can be looked at as malpractice or false advertising because Sony officially supports those games. Fully supporting those games implies that they have the ability to run all of it's features, that is including MP. If it can't, and you can't get a refund (legally), I see a problem here.

And yeah, that's why I say this firmware bit is much larger than most people think. Stealth Pyros said that a bios != firmware, and technically that is true. However the law doesn't say that if it falls under the category of a Bios that it can't be prosecuted as a firmware. Basically if they can prove that it falls under the legal guidelines of a firmware for all legal purposes it's a firmware. That means all code that can then fall under the guise of a firmware can't be modified, making your flashing firmware claim true. People don't get this, that's how the law works and it's kinda sick. A bike is a motorized vehicle, and has to follow all laws and regulations. Now legally you can't ride a bike on the street, if they wanted to give you ticket for that (US example) they can. Because legal definition allows them so which stands outside of social definitions, morals, regulations, whatever you want to call it.

[edit]
Quote:
Originally Posted by XNine View Post
And just how are they going to charge the controllers? Brain-waves? And just how are they going to stream music? FLAC? WAV? Yes, let's make lossless formats that 0% of the human race can tell the difference between in sound quality a standard while chewing up insane amounts of HDD space. Better yet, let's just have people hum music across a room to other people that will repeat it.

USB and MP3 aren't the issue here. They removed OtherOS because of a large potential for a security flaw. Quit trying to bring your silly nonsensical scenarios into this. This is about OtherOS and the opportunity to exploit the security of the PS3.
That's not Sony's problem, get a wall charger that now comes with the newer model of PS3. They found an exploit in the USB hub that allowed for downgrading of all firmware, and exploit that is actually real. Oh, you lost function, deal with it.
Edited by mushroomboy - 2/23/11 at 10:05am
Current Rig
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX-8350 4.6GHz@1.44v GA-990FXA-UD3 R4.0 HD 7950 (1100/1450) 8G Muskin DDR3 1866@8CLS 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
1TB WD LiteOn DVD-RW DL Linux/Windows 19" Phillips TV 1080p 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
OCZ 600W Generic Junk Logitech MX400 Generic Junk 
Audio
SBL 5.1 
  hide details  
Reply
Current Rig
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX-8350 4.6GHz@1.44v GA-990FXA-UD3 R4.0 HD 7950 (1100/1450) 8G Muskin DDR3 1866@8CLS 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
1TB WD LiteOn DVD-RW DL Linux/Windows 19" Phillips TV 1080p 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
OCZ 600W Generic Junk Logitech MX400 Generic Junk 
Audio
SBL 5.1 
  hide details  
Reply
post #158 of 172
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Destroyer View Post
so just cause it wasnt touted as a primary function, they can remove it. Well you know what, USB wasnt touted as a primary function but i bet you never think they could disable it. Same with MP3 playback. I think you are forgetting, even sony says it does everything in there commercials. That right there is false advertising as it cant even do everything my manual says it can. Sony cant say one thing, then do another. I agree, sony will end up winning prob. but it will be there deep pockets that help them, not the law. They clearly violated C.F.A.A. laws. And would you mind showing me where it states, on the outside of a game, that you may not be able to play it if you dont agree to any EULA??? pretty sure it dosnt as none of my games say that. Fact is, nothing says it until you push that shiny little disc into the ps3 and it goes.....update required. And by that point, the update is not optional, its mandatory.
So are you saying that a worldwide 50 million+ complainants can sue because the PS3 doesn't clean your room, listen and talk to your girlfriend for you, suck your ****, or play Xbox games? Don't kid yourself; that's a clever slogan, not a claim on its potential. You think that because McDonald's ads say "we love to see you smile" they really care if you smile? A slogan is nothing but a catchy phrase to draw attention. It does not imply that the product or service being offered actually live up to the slogan. Is it wrong? Yes, even I agree with that and I'm in defense of Sony in this case. It's just the way advertising works. It's psychology. If it "doesn't do everything" in its actual list of provided features, it doesn't need to.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Destroyer View Post
sony sells ps3 chargers......dont think they will remove it? alot of us never thought they would remove OtherOS and look where we are now. NO, this is not about exploits, sony could have forced a update on all ps3's if it really was a threat to the security of the ps3. legally they could have as protecting the security of the system is covered under eula and some retail protection laws. BUT making it optional means it wasnt as big of a security issue as they led you to beleive.
Fail. Again, no, they couldn't have forced an update to all PS3s, as not all PS3s are online and it involved a change in the terms of service for which they have to both communicate to you what the changes are and allow you the option of disagreeing with the new terms. I would gladly provide you with evidence that the retail boxes for games have a disclaimer, but I don't have any that require later firmware. I do have Socom at home and I am certain it makes clear that PSN access is required.

Edit: Actually, I just realized that games that require updated firmware even INCLUDE the firmware update on the disc, and you will be asked upon trying to start the game to update the firmware.
Edited by Stealth Pyros - 2/23/11 at 10:15am
Gaming Rig
(20 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel 2500k, 4.6GHz, 1.304v ASRock P67 Extreme4 Gen3 2x Sapphire HD7970 OC with Boost, 1150 MHz/1550... 2x4GB DDR3 1600 Corsair Vengeance 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Samsung 840 Pro Samsung 750GB HD753LJ Samsung F3 ASUS 24X DVD Combo Drive 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Noctua DH14 Windows 8 Professional x64 Crossover 27Q 27" IPS LED, 2560x1440 Logitech G11 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Corsair TX750 Cooler Master HAF932 Logitech G500 Custom 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Creative X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty 2x Dayton B652 Bookshelf Dayton DTA-100A Amplifier Dayton 12" SUB-1200 Subwoofer 
  hide details  
Reply
Gaming Rig
(20 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel 2500k, 4.6GHz, 1.304v ASRock P67 Extreme4 Gen3 2x Sapphire HD7970 OC with Boost, 1150 MHz/1550... 2x4GB DDR3 1600 Corsair Vengeance 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Samsung 840 Pro Samsung 750GB HD753LJ Samsung F3 ASUS 24X DVD Combo Drive 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Noctua DH14 Windows 8 Professional x64 Crossover 27Q 27" IPS LED, 2560x1440 Logitech G11 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Corsair TX750 Cooler Master HAF932 Logitech G500 Custom 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Creative X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty 2x Dayton B652 Bookshelf Dayton DTA-100A Amplifier Dayton 12" SUB-1200 Subwoofer 
  hide details  
Reply
post #159 of 172
Sony should remember that their console can be used for more than just gaming and bluray playback. With the OtherOS feature, something that came with the consoles at launch, the PS3 can be used as an extremely cost efficient node in supercomputer clusters, some of which are in use by universities, private research groups, and even the US Air Force I hate how Sony has handled everything with the PS3 and I'd really like to see MS enable the use of their next gen Xbox for supercomputing purposes, so they can cash in on the short sidedness of Sony. Just my 2 cents
ShadowForge
(12 items)
 
Defiant
(14 items)
 
CarbonCat
(13 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II x6 1405T (unlocked Athlon II X4 640T) ASUS M5A99X EVO AM3+ Asus ENGTX470/2DI/1280MD5/V2 16 GB (4x4GB) G.Skill DDR3 1600 CAS9 1.35v 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
WD Caviar Blue 250 2.5" Laptop Drive WD Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" Pioneer BDR-203 BluRay Burner Corsair H60 push 
OSOSMonitorPower
Windows 7 Pro x64 Ubuntu 11.10 Samsung 40" 60hz  ANTEC NEO ECO 520W 
CaseMouse
NZXT Gamma Microsoft Bluetooth Notebook Mouse 5000 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 - 2600k [5.0 1.42v] ASUS P8Z68 Deluxe Sapphire HD6950 2gb Dirt 3 Edition 8GB G.Skill DDR3 2133 CAS11 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
60GB G.Skill Sniper + 2x1TB Spinpoint F3 Raid0 Win 7 Pro x64 ASUS VW266H Razer Blackwidow 
PowerCaseMouse
Seasonic X750 Gold Corsair Carbide 500R White G9 
  hide details  
Reply
ShadowForge
(12 items)
 
Defiant
(14 items)
 
CarbonCat
(13 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II x6 1405T (unlocked Athlon II X4 640T) ASUS M5A99X EVO AM3+ Asus ENGTX470/2DI/1280MD5/V2 16 GB (4x4GB) G.Skill DDR3 1600 CAS9 1.35v 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
WD Caviar Blue 250 2.5" Laptop Drive WD Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" Pioneer BDR-203 BluRay Burner Corsair H60 push 
OSOSMonitorPower
Windows 7 Pro x64 Ubuntu 11.10 Samsung 40" 60hz  ANTEC NEO ECO 520W 
CaseMouse
NZXT Gamma Microsoft Bluetooth Notebook Mouse 5000 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 - 2600k [5.0 1.42v] ASUS P8Z68 Deluxe Sapphire HD6950 2gb Dirt 3 Edition 8GB G.Skill DDR3 2133 CAS11 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
60GB G.Skill Sniper + 2x1TB Spinpoint F3 Raid0 Win 7 Pro x64 ASUS VW266H Razer Blackwidow 
PowerCaseMouse
Seasonic X750 Gold Corsair Carbide 500R White G9 
  hide details  
Reply
post #160 of 172
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stealth Pyros View Post
So are you saying that a worldwide 50 million+ complainants can sue because the PS3 doesn't clean your room, listen and talk to your girlfriend for you, suck your ****, or play Xbox games? Don't kid yourself; that's a clever slogan, not a claim on its potential. You think that because McDonald's ads say "we love to see you smile" they really care if you smile? A slogan is nothing but a catchy phrase to draw attention. It does not imply that the product or service being offered actually live up to the slogan. Is it wrong? Yes, even I agree with that and I'm in defense of Sony in this case. It's just the way advertising works. It's psychology. If it "doesn't do everything" in its actual list of provided features, it doesn't need to.




Fail. Again, no, they couldn't have forced an update to all PS3s, as not all PS3s are online and it involved a change in the terms of service for which they have to both communicate to you what the changes are and allow you the option of disagreeing with the new terms. I would gladly provide you with evidence that the retail boxes for games have a disclaimer, but I don't have any that require later firmware. I do have Socom at home and I am certain it makes clear that PSN access is required.

Edit: Actually, I just realized that games that require updated firmware even INCLUDE the firmware update on the disc, and you will be asked upon trying to start the game to update the firmware.
Not to mention, PS3's can still do both. Use PSN and OtherOS, that is. I've yet to see anywhere that it says it can do them both on one machine ;P. Have an old OtherOS enabled PS3? Cool, keep it. Go get a new one to use for PSN. Problem solved.
Mine
(19 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Asus Z170 PRO GAMING ATX LGA1151 EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 8GB SC Gaming ACX 3.0 G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
PNY CS1311 480GB SSD Barracuda 500 WD 1000 WD 1000 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
Thermalright TRUE Spirit 140 POWER 73.6 CFM Windows 10 Acer S277HK 27" 4K Acer 23" 1080p 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Acer 23" 1080p Razer Black Widow Ultimate EVGA SuperNOVA G2 550W 80+ Gold Corsair 330R Titanium Edition ATX 
Mouse
Logitech G303 Daedalus Apex 
  hide details  
Reply
Mine
(19 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Asus Z170 PRO GAMING ATX LGA1151 EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 8GB SC Gaming ACX 3.0 G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
PNY CS1311 480GB SSD Barracuda 500 WD 1000 WD 1000 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
Thermalright TRUE Spirit 140 POWER 73.6 CFM Windows 10 Acer S277HK 27" 4K Acer 23" 1080p 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Acer 23" 1080p Razer Black Widow Ultimate EVGA SuperNOVA G2 550W 80+ Gold Corsair 330R Titanium Edition ATX 
Mouse
Logitech G303 Daedalus Apex 
  hide details  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Video Game News
Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Video Game News › [ArsTechnica] "OtherOS" class-action lawsuit: GeoHot, Sony now share same charge