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Doesn't work with Netflix, that's been established time and time again. Trust me, I know.
Mmmm ok... wasn't certain about Netflix but Silverlight itself does work.
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Mmmm ok... wasn't certain about Netflix but Silverlight itself does work.
Read the edit, it doesn't work with new versions. Moonlight supports Silverlight 3.0, but only partly. So if you want full comparability you HAVE to run Silverlight.

[edit] Oh, and what happens when a person doesn't update their firmware. They go buy a game that requires the later SDK based firmware? Oh wait, they can't play the game? Oh what the crap is that, false advertising? I mean seriously, *** is that?
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I think geohotz has a legitimate chance at this.
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Read the edit, it doesn't work with new versions. Moonlight supports Silverlight 3.0, but only partly. So if you want full comparability you HAVE to run Silverlight.

[edit] Oh, and what happens when a person doesn't update their firmware. They go buy a game that requires the later SDK based firmware? Oh wait, they can't play the game? Oh what the crap is that, false advertising? I mean seriously, *** is that?
Pretty sure all the later games that require the new firmware will have a disclaimer notice on the box.
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Pretty sure all the later games that require the new firmware will have a disclaimer notice on the box.
Nope, Black Ops requires 3.50, but no disclaimer on box
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Well even if it said that you'd lose the support for Other OS in an update it still doesn't say " Other OS / PSN support" on the adverts.
It's no where listed in the PS3 manual that you have to choose from which support you'll have.

That's like saying Either you keep the Blur-Ray ability OR keep the PSN ability.
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Well even if it said that you'd lose the support for Other OS in an update it still doesn't say " Other OS / PSN support" on the adverts.
It's no where listed in the PS3 manual that you have to choose from which support you'll have.

That's like saying Either you keep the Blur-Ray ability OR keep the PSN ability.
So, because the CPU inside the unit isn't advertised they have the right to take it away at any time? Okay, flawed example because removing the CPU would make the whole unit stop functioning, but removing the OtherOS feature strips all usability for many users.
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Incorrect, Linux is very well capable of running Silverlight via Moonlight.
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Mmmm ok... wasn't certain about Netflix but Silverlight itself does work.
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The whole "was OtherOS advertised?" debate is at this point totally tossed aside. EVEN IF IT WAS advertised (it wasn't. I've gone over this two or three times already and won't go over it any further here) every PSN user agreed to the terms of agreement that Sony may at any time remove any feature from your system via updates. The PS3 came with OtherOS, it lived up its promise to ANY advertisement mentioning OtherOS at all, which again, there were none. That's 1 notice. In addition to that, Sony announced the update 3 or 4 days before it actually released, and clearly stated that OtherOS would be removed. The blog post received 4,000 comments in 3 days; surely, that's indication that the communication did its job of communicating to plenty of its audience. That's 2 notices. ON TOP OF those two facts, Sony GAVE everyone one last opportunity to decline the update. That's 3 chances to back out of agreeing to the PS3's terms of use. Sony did not force the update onto anyone's PS3. Don't agree to the new terms? Cool, keep your OtherOS, but you can't use PSN until you agree to its new terms.

I don't really understand your second sentence. You're saying that someone who produces a product SHOULDN'T be the ones to outline what that product does or includes? That's... pretty far-fetched. Who IS supposed to then? You're saying that every product should undergo some sort of government assessment that outlines each single feature and component of a product? Say goodbye to affordable hardware if so. And... I don't get it. Even if such a system were in place, Sony still has the right to remove any feature.
whats up with the Heir of Superiority? you are posting your own opinions, trying to solidify them as facts, that we should all just end debate cause you have spoken?

regardless what sony says, does, or will do, and what this court decision reaches, the power of public opinion will be the ultimate and final decision maker. i for one, didn't buy a ps3 when they came out cause i didn't like sony's policies, and this just solidifies my position that i will continue not buy one, and i will also continue to buy dvd's instead of blu-ray.

moonlight is typically 1 or 2 generations behind silverlight, silverlight has additional technologies built into that are not present in moonlight, it only works about 30% of the time when you do come across the scant silverlight sites out there, its the go-bots of the transformer world.
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First is access to Netflix, which is pretty heavily advertised both by Sony and by Netflix as being usable on a PS3. But what they don't tell you is, even though you pay a separate fee for Netflix completely outside of Sony's jurisdiction, and the fact that the Netflix servers have nothing to do with Sony, there is a completely arbitrary requirement that you be signed on to PSN in order to be allowed Netflix access. And since Netflix no longer supports the disc based PS3 client, choosing not to update to Sony's latest firmware bans your console from reaching the Netflix servers.
Only problem with that is, if you want Netflix at all you'd need to have updated your console via firmware. Netflix came well after OtherOs was removed.
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it's simple. i literally bought my ps3 to play games, act as a media center, to install linux, to fold,...you know, a box that does everything.

after my purchase, those combined ADVERTISED features were removed. note,... after my purchase.

this is clearly a BAIT AND HOOK situation. which is clearly illegal.

sony has no case here unless they want to refund me my ps3 purchase as well as all the games that i bought.

sony has no shot in court
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