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Derp:
A carrier is "armed" with:
16–24 × Sea Sparrow or NATO Sea Sparrow missiles
3 or 4 × Phalanx CIWSs or RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missiles.

Both of which are missile and short-range ship defense systems.
Unless you think a bunch of planes are going to "invade" a small country. Very few of which have any anti-ship or anti-sub capabilities. Hence the point of it having a CBG.
Not to mention that its "armor" is kevlar over vital areas. Not exactly Neutronium plating.

And, aside from that this is a completely different branch of the military from the "grunts", in the context of the United States military, what is more important?

Having incremental improvements with an enormous implementation cost (one for every soldier, etc.) or the ability to police countries. You give a few hundred thousand guys a new gun, whooptie.

You point the Fifth Fleet somewhere, people stop fighting and start listening.
Your forgetting those automated/manually controlled turrets that can make mince meat out of aircraft, missiles even other boats.


Those hundred or so aircraft are all the anti-air/sea it needs really. JDams, X-Set missiles, air to surface, miniguns, Sidwinders, etc.

Plus a boat load of systems/weapons that are classified. That wiki wouldn't even know.

How did they fight sea battles in WWII in the pacific? Get carriers in range and have the aircraft destroy all the ships. The number one priority was to down the carrier, before anything else.

Yea, unarmed...
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Your forgetting those automated/manually controlled turrets that can make mince meat out of aircraft, missiles even other boats.
No I'm not.

"Phalanx CIWSs" were specifically stated.


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Those hundred or so aircraft are all the anti-air/sea it needs really. JDams, X-Set missiles, air to surface, miniguns, Sidwinders, etc.
Saying "I know aircraft exist with these weapons" does not equate to "The aircraft the United States Navy places on a Nimitz are all capable of this.

For one, it is very unlikely they have Anti-Sea weapons. Anti-Satellite weapons, also a no-go. Bullets are used as a last resort in dog fighting - a carrier does not have anything like the A-10.

They carry "around" ninety fixed wing aircraft. No more than ninety.

Given the retirement of the F-14, most assets are Hornets and Super Hornets now-a-days. Multi-role, yes. But able to defend a carrier, or take over a country? No. Besides, this isn't Command and Conquer where you can pop out twenty planes in five seconds. There is only one catapult on the carrier.


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Plus a boat load of systems/weapons that are classified. That wiki wouldn't even know.
"I win the argument because of an unsubstantiated mystery piece of evidence that may or may not be true."

No.

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How did they fight sea battles in WWII in the pacific? Get carriers in range and have the aircraft destroy all the ships. The number one priority was to down the carrier, before anything else.

Yea, unarmed...
Battleships and cruisers, mostly. Carriers were not intended to be used in Naval Confrontations. They do very, very poorly if they're within firing range of anything, particularly cannons.
    
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No I'm not.

"Phalanx CIWSs" were specifically stated.




Saying "I know aircraft exist with these weapons" does not equate to "The aircraft the United States Navy places on a Nimitz are all capable of this.

For one, it is very unlikely they have Anti-Sea weapons. Anti-Satellite weapons, also a no-go. Bullets are used as a last resort in dog fighting - a carrier does not have anything like the A-10.

They carry "around" ninety fixed wing aircraft. No more than ninety.

Given the retirement of the F-14, most assets are Hornets and Super Hornets now-a-days. Multi-role, yes. But able to defend a carrier, or take over a country? No. Besides, this isn't Command and Conquer where you can pop out twenty planes in five seconds. There is only one catapult on the carrier.




"I win the argument because of an unsubstantiated mystery piece of evidence that may or may not be true."

No.



Battleships and cruisers, mostly. Carriers were not intended to be used in Naval Confrontations. They do very, very poorly if they're within firing range of anything, particularly cannons.
Nimitz Class Carriers have 4 cats, and can launch 1 sortie per minute. Been there, done that (CVN68 Veteran). And yes, one CVN (with airwing) carries enough firepower to defeat most nations of the world, let alone defend itself. Been there, done that (shock and awe veteran). It has just too many planes and helo's too allow anything to get close. Been there, done that (RIMPAC 2006). And yes, carriers have anti-surface, anti-subarine, anti-plane, and anti-missile deterrants.
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cant they use this to take out ICBMs? sounds more practical as an Anti-air type gun
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Holy sh....

20 feet per second?? holy crap!!!!!
    
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Nimitz Class Carriers have 4 cats, and can launch 1 sortie per minute. Been there, done that (CVN68 Veteran). And yes, one CVN (with airwing) carries enough firepower to defeat most nations of the world, let alone defend itself. Been there, done that (shock and awe veteran). It has just too many planes and helo's too allow anything to get close. Been there, done that (RIMPAC 2006). And yes, carriers have anti-surface, anti-subarine, anti-plane, and anti-missile deterrants.
My mistake, you're right. Four catapults.
I would argue that a CVN does not have enough firepower to defeat nations, let alone defend itself. Particularly if your experience was Iraq.

You didn't substantiate anything beyond saying "I have experience."

How does a carrier defeat a modern nation with planes? A carrier by itself doesn't have enough munitions for a long conflict, let alone fuel for the planes. Not to mention, most nations could easily overwhelm a carrier's very meager anti-missile and anti-ship capabilities if they threw everything at it.

And can you tell me what exactly a carrier has that is anti-submarine or anti-plane? Besides the planes themselves? Which can't hit a submarine anyway.

NO.

For the last time, a carrier is useless without its CBG.
PARTICULARLY in the context of this thread: Which is, what the FEL would be used on.
A carrier would NEVER use an FEL.
    
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Now to create something that will withstand this laser
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Now to create something that will withstand this laser
Super mirror coating on the sides of all ships! / Chrome makes a comeback in weapons!
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My mistake, you're right. Four catapults.
I would argue that a CVN does not have enough firepower to defeat nations, let alone defend itself. Particularly if your experience was Iraq.

You didn't substantiate anything beyond saying "I have experience."

How does a carrier defeat a modern nation with planes? A carrier by itself doesn't have enough munitions for a long conflict, let alone fuel for the planes. Not to mention, most nations could easily overwhelm a carrier's very meager anti-missile and anti-ship capabilities if they threw everything at it.

And can you tell me what exactly a carrier has that is anti-submarine or anti-plane? Besides the planes themselves? Which can't hit a submarine anyway.

NO.

For the last time, a carrier is useless without its CBG.
PARTICULARLY in the context of this thread: Which is, what the FEL would be used on.
A carrier would NEVER use an FEL.

Okay maybe we were exaggerating, it can't take on whole countries except maybe France unless it was a tinny island somewhere. You could achieve air dominance then proceed with a ground assault via Air Cav.

Submarines? Sea King helicopters armed with Depth Charges. Now your gonna say lulwut but there is no country where you could contemplate waging war with a single carrier that would have any submarine effective enough to sink a carrier.
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Okay maybe we were exaggerating, it can't take on whole countries except maybe France unless it was a tinny island somewhere. You could achieve air dominance then proceed with a ground assault via Air Cav.

Submarines? Sea King helicopters armed with Depth Charges. Now your gonna say lulwut but there is no country where you could contemplate waging war with a single carrier that would have any submarine effective enough to sink a carrier.
I got my nickname because of a destroyer version of the Sea King. Turns out you are NOT supposed to TRY and fly the thing...

lol!

BTW: you are forgetting about the sonar guided underwater missiles (not technically a torpedo but that's what we called them anyway) that were on most cvn's, destroyers, cruisers and a few frigates. The sonar tech's basically snap a sonogram of a target, feed it into the guidance system of one of these "missiles" and it fires, then drops into the ocean and starts looking for the correct signature. Once it finds it, it takes off and does not stop until it hits the target or runs out of fuel (not likely).

The destroyer I was on (USS Fletcher DD992, now sitting at the bottom of the ocean), was specifically designed as an ASW platform. Our sole mission was to keep other ships a certain distance from the carrier. This included surface and subsurface targets. As a last defense, it was our mission to trick the ordinance into thinking our ship was the carrier and take the bullet for them. My job was Electronic Warfare and I was required to keep up on all the new ships, aircraft and subs so I could determine if a certain target was a threat or not. With the information from my gear and the sonar, I could tell you anything about a target before they even knew we were there.
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