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Posted a thread about this yesterday, but anyway... I have a few questions. I need help OC'ing my Processor. I looked in the i5 760 OC club but it was no help to me nor were any of the links. I need somebody to guide me step by step or explain to me exactly what i need to go to and add, etc. My specs are below, along with questions: (you'll see soon enough i'm still a n00b to this)

OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit
Motherboard/CPU: "ASUS P7H55/USB3" with Intel i5 760 @ 2.8GHz
GPU: GTX 460 1GB
RAM: 8GB DDR3 @1333MHz
HDD: 1TB
PSU: 700W ??? (I do not know the brand or anything else)
Cooling: Stock Cooling/Fans (Nothing fancy like liquid cooling)
Display: HP 2210M 21.5" LCD Screen 1920x1080 @60Hz

So, my questions:

1. Who can guide me on OC'ing my i5 760? (Take note of the lack of special cooling)

2. I am looking into a GTX 560 Ti. Is it worth it? I want to be able to play Crysis 2 on high or very high (Very High preferred) and don't want to bottleneck my card by my CPU being too slow. That is my main concern about OC'ing.

3. If the card is worth paying for, and i will need to OC my processor some so it doesn't bottleneck the card, then how far will i need to? (only applies if it's justifiable)

4. If the card isn't quite worth paying for, how far can i OC my GTX 460 (I'm using MSI afterburner) and still have it run okay on my current fans/cooling and processor?

5. What type of fans/cooling should i get to get my processor and/or card to stay cool and run everything fine (i'm talking a 24/7 OC btw) without paying for liquid? What fans, etc will do me very good for not too steep of a cost? I'd be happy to buy a fan to OC my i5 if it helps at all really and i should OC it. Even if i wouldn't need to OC my i5, would there be possible better fan options i could look into getting?

6. While I'm at it, i can't figure out where i am to enable the turbo boost function. Can anybody explain this?

That's it i think...Just remember i want my system to run stable and be able to keep it running and not worry about tweaking OC settings if i don't want it being overheated, dying, etc.

Thanks to anybody who can assist.
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Hello Greenhorn I mean SuperKrauser. I'll take a poke at a few of your questions.

1) You have to be willing to put in the work yourself. I could spoon feed you settings but in the end they won't do you all that much good because even if we had all the exact same hardware our systems would overclock differently. There are a lot of step by step guides that have been written and even a few for your CPU. Take the time to learn a little about overclocking then get into your BIOS and get comfortable with it. You start coming up with a little more specific questions and you will get all the help you need. I'd suggest starting here. http://www.techreaction.net/2010/09/...ide-lynnfield/

2) Maybe I'm biased because I have a couple 460's but I really don't see a 560 as being all that great of an upgrade over a 460. A single card of either won't be enough to max out crysis. Even 2 of either and you will probably still be looking at reducing AA to keep min. framerates up although it will give you a good average framerate if that makes sense to you.

3) There isn't too much worry about a stock 760 bottlenecking your 460 or a 560. A mild overclock to 3.5 or so could see some small increases in FPS and benchmarks but it won't be anything groundshaking.

5) Coolermaster Hyper 212+ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-065-_-Product
Corsair A70 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...=corsair%20a70
Scythe Mugen 2 http://www.directron.com/scmg2100.html

Thermaltake Frio http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-150-_-Product
Silver Arrow http://www.svc.com/silverarrow.html
Cogage Arrow http://www.svc.com/arrow.html
Noctua NH-D14 http://www.svc.com/nh-d14.html
Megahalems Rev. B http://www.svc.com/megahalems.html

Lots of good choices for air cooling.

6) Turbo on/off is in BIOS. Depending on board and bios you might have to have speedstep enabled to utilize it.
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Hello Greenhorn I mean SuperKrauser. I'll take a poke at a few of your questions.

1) You have to be willing to put in the work yourself. I could spoon feed you settings but in the end they won't do you all that much good because even if we had all the exact same hardware our systems would overclock differently. There are a lot of step by step guides that have been written and even a few for your CPU. Take the time to learn a little about overclocking then get into your BIOS and get comfortable with it. You start coming up with a little more specific questions and you will get all the help you need. I'd suggest starting here. http://www.techreaction.net/2010/09/...ide-lynnfield/

2) Maybe I'm biased because I have a couple 460's but I really don't see a 560 as being all that great of an upgrade over a 460. A single card of either won't be enough to max out crysis. Even 2 of either and you will probably still be looking at reducing AA to keep min. framerates up although it will give you a good average framerate if that makes sense to you.

3) There isn't too much worry about a stock 760 bottlenecking your 460 or a 560. A mild overclock to 3.5 or so could see some small increases in FPS and benchmarks but it won't be anything groundshaking.

5) Coolermaster Hyper 212+ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-065-_-Product
Corsair A70 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...=corsair%20a70
Scythe Mugen 2 http://www.directron.com/scmg2100.html

Thermaltake Frio http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-150-_-Product
Silver Arrow http://www.svc.com/silverarrow.html
Cogage Arrow http://www.svc.com/arrow.html
Noctua NH-D14 http://www.svc.com/nh-d14.html
Megahalems Rev. B http://www.svc.com/megahalems.html

Lots of good choices for air cooling.

6) Turbo on/off is in BIOS. Depending on board and bios you might have to have speedstep enabled to utilize it.
1) Okay I just opened that and will do some reading and try and understand all of what it's telling me to do.

2) I read multiple places that my CPU (and maybe the Mobo (i'm not sure if i remember seeing anything about it or not)) would bottleneck SLI. My motherboard i believe is SLI ready, so i'm thinking it's just the CPU, which leads me to wonder how much I should OC. However, I do like the GTX 460 SLI setup, but what i'm really thinking of doing is (in the future) using the GTX 460 as a PhysX card (i know it's overkill, but why would i sell it or give it away when it can still be used for a good purpose for a while down the road after i upgrade?) and get something like (i'm just speaking for today's examples. I'll probably upgrade in a year or so, so these are just today's examples of what i'd look into) a GTX 570 or something like that. But that's still a bit away, so i'll have to see. How far can/should I OC my 460 to get noticeable performance boost though?

3) Okay, well i'll attempt that once i get a new fan and do some reading on OC'ing.


5) okay, I'm torn between the "COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus" ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-065-_-Product )

and the "CORSAIR CAFA70 120mm Dual-Fan CPU Cooler" ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...=corsair%20a70 )

From what i read on the reviews, the Croisair dual fan seems to be faring better with OC's, but i don't plan to really go over 4GHz (at least for now anyway) like a lot of these people on the reviews are, but it looks like people with the Cooler Master are getting over 4GHz (someone with a sandy bridge i7 2500k) so, is dual fan really justifiable for getting? It is only $15 more, but that's $15 i could still have to save for something else. Do you think i should just go with the Cooler Master?

6) I believe i saw something about "Speed Step" in the BIOS when i was browsing around yesterday and the day before. I'll go look at it.


I'm gonna go read that article on OC'ing (i think i already saw it, but i'm not 100% sure though) and dissect my comp and try and get familiar with the insides now.
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1) Okay I just opened that and will do some reading and try and understand all of what it's telling me to do.

2) I read multiple places that my CPU (and maybe the Mobo (i'm not sure if i remember seeing anything about it or not)) would bottleneck SLI. My motherboard i believe is SLI ready, so i'm thinking it's just the CPU, which leads me to wonder how much I should OC. However, I do like the GTX 460 SLI setup, but what i'm really thinking of doing is (in the future) using the GTX 460 as a PhysX card (i know it's overkill, but why would i sell it or give it away when it can still be used for a good purpose for a while down the road after i upgrade?) and get something like (i'm just speaking for today's examples. I'll probably upgrade in a year or so, so these are just today's examples of what i'd look into) a GTX 570 or something like that. But that's still a bit away, so i'll have to see. How far can/should I OC my 460 to get noticeable performance boost though?

3) Okay, well i'll attempt that once i get a new fan and do some reading on OC'ing.


5) okay, I'm torn between the "COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus" ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-065-_-Product )

and the "CORSAIR CAFA70 120mm Dual-Fan CPU Cooler" ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...=corsair%20a70 )

From what i read on the reviews, the Croisair dual fan seems to be faring better with OC's, but i don't plan to really go over 4GHz (at least for now anyway) like a lot of these people on the reviews are, but it looks like people with the Cooler Master are getting over 4GHz (someone with a sandy bridge i7 2500k) so, is dual fan really justifiable for getting? It is only $15 more, but that's $15 i could still have to save for something else. Do you think i should just go with the Cooler Master?

6) I believe i saw something about "Speed Step" in the BIOS when i was browsing around yesterday and the day before. I'll go look at it.


I'm gonna go read that article on OC'ing (i think i already saw it, but i'm not 100% sure though) and dissect my comp and try and get familiar with the insides now.
I just looked up your board and one of your slots is X4. It's not ideal for SLI but there have been some reviews on X4 that shows that the loss in SLI really isn't near as bad as most people think.

460's overclock great. I've been gaming with mine at 875MHz and benchmarking them at 900MHz. For most 460's to get much past 900 you will need to mod the BIOS to access more voltage.

If you count the rebate the Corsair A70 and the Cooler Master Hyper 212+ are very close to the same price. I know, rebates suck but at least it is Corsair and you shouldn't have any problems getting your money back as long as you follow the rules. Both are good coolers and possibly great coolers for the price. If the rebate bothers you just get the Hyper 212+. Otherwise just get which ever one you like better. I like the A70 a little better but not $15 worth of like.

If you are currently running optimized defaults speedstep and turbo are most likely already on.

Wonder where #4 went.
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Are there specific cards that fit in X4? I opened my comp and noticed there only 1 slot that my 460 could go in. I've cranked mine up to 840MHz. Never noticed but that fan can get LOUD if it has too. Now I know why there were all those complaints about the fan noise. Oh well, doesn't bother me really.

I'll see how soon I can grab one. Hoping I soon. I'm really liking the dual fan thing though.
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A normal card will work in it. The slot itself is the same it just doesn't carry as much bandwidth. The P7H55/USB 3 has it. http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=Qlmdwlr0wg1G6CGG Your card should be in the top blue PCI-E slot. A little ways down with 2 PCI-E X1 slots between is the black PCI-E X4 slot. Probably just a little hard to see in the case since it's black.
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A normal card will work in it. The slot itself is the same it just doesn't carry as much bandwidth. The P7H55/USB 3 has it. http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=Qlmdwlr0wg1G6CGG Your card should be in the top blue PCI-E slot. A little ways down with 2 PCI-E X1 slots between is the black PCI-E X4 slot. Probably just a little hard to see in the case since it's black.
Oh now i see in the photo. I think I completely missed it. Anyway I just saw somebody testing GTX 460 in SLI on an X4 vs. GTX 460 SLI in x16 and it was noted that there has a loss of <3 FPS in general in these tests. Like i said, i'm still not really sure about SLI, but it doesn't look like it's gonna do any bad for physX will it? And can I still run two cards in SLI (just out of curiosity) with one in the x16 and the other in the x4 or will this not be allowed.

I see that on the mobo there's a "Turbo Key II" switch and something about a "TurboV Evo" engine which i'm going to look at installing or whatever in the next day or so. Do you think i'll see much of a performance increase using these? (there's slight info on the mobo page you linked me)
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Ya the loss won't be much and it is only loss over what you could get if you were running X16,X16 or X8,X8. It is still going to be alot more power than a single 460. The X4 slot is perfect for a PhysX card but a 460 can run physX in the background and still have SLI.

Turbo V is a overclocking software tool. Don't use it for overclocking just do everything in BIOS. I have it on my i7 machine as well as similar EVGA Eleet on my i5 and it can be handy for looking at settings or testing small changes on the fly but other than that I do everything in BIOS. Software overclocking is sort of a big no, no.

Turbo Key II as I understand is auto overclocking. I wouldn't mess with it at all. This sort of auto overclocks is usually terrible from what I've seen. It really isn't all that hard to learn to dial in, stability test and fine tune a nice overclock. Especially on the Lynnfields.
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Okay, well i don't think I'll be upgrading the GPU for at least a year, so i'll just be OC'ing it and getting a new fan for the CPU for when I OC it.

I'll steer clear of those then. I'm just gonna do my research and do my own tweaking within bios to experiment.
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There was a CPU ratio setting in the bios, and I started messing with it. I was allowed toraise it up to "22.0" and I think it's default was "19.0". there were also several other settings, but anyway, when at "22.0" it said the target CPU speed was like 4100 some MHz (over 4GHz). I've decided not to OC at all till I get my fan in the mail, but I'm looking around and I'm thinking 3.6 to <4GHz is a good goal. What do you think?
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