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There was a CPU ratio setting in the bios, and I started messing with it. I was allowed toraise it up to "22.0" and I think it's default was "19.0". there were also several other settings, but anyway, when at "22.0" it said the target CPU speed was like 4100 some MHz (over 4GHz). I've decided not to OC at all till I get my fan in the mail, but I'm looking around and I'm thinking 3.6 to <4GHz is a good goal. What do you think?
You can probably do 3.6 on stock volts. 4.0 can get a little tricky. Some CPU's do it real easy others take a little more work and the unlucky few heat becomes such an issue that it isn't worth it.

There isn't too many settings on a P55 board so it makes it pretty easy to overclock. If you could post a template of your BIOS I could be of a little more specific help.

The frequency of the CPU is determined by 2 settings. Baseclock & CPU Ratio. Multiply them together and you have your frequency. Raise either one and you are overclocking.

Memory frequency is also tied to the baseclock and becomes quite important when overclocking. Raise the baseclock and your memory speed raises as well. Base clock X memory multiplier gives you the memory speed. I believe that on most Asus Bios's this memory multiplier is hidden. Instead they just give you the options of the memory speeds available based on the different multipliers. It works well when starting new overclock to drop to the lowest multiplier. Takes the pressure off the RAM as you raise the baseclock. Then once reasonably stable you can bring the memory speed back up by raising the memory multiplier back up if needed. Though with your 1333MHz RAM you will have trouble getting over a 167 baseclock with anything other than the 2:6 memory multiplier as that would put you at 1336Mhz with the 2:8 multi.

Now that is just some broad strokes to give you an idea of what you are looking at. There is still voltage setting that will need adjusted. Before you start overclocking I suggest you download a few utilities to start.

For monitoring core temp I suggest Realtemp. http://www.techpowerup.com/realtemp/ Core temp, or HWMonitor. HWMonitor is a very handy program to have period.

You will also need CPU-Z - http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html

And for stability testing I suggest Intel Burn Test otherwise known as IBT - http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/...BurnTest.shtml and Prime 95 - http://www.mersenne.org/freesoft/default.php I sort of stability test in a proggressive fashion using both programs. Starting with just 5 passes IBT set on standard mode (easy). Testing every little change I make particularly in the baseclock as I slowly increase frequency until I hit my baseclock goal. Then once there I increase the difficulty of the IBT test to 10 passes of high and make adjustments needed to keep it stable. Then up it again to 20+ passes on max. Once I can pass that I move on to Prime 95 which includes 3 different torture tests (small fft, Large fft, and Blend). I'll run a min. of 10 hours small fft and 12 hours of blend. Some other popular stability testing programs would be OCCT, and LinX. I've used both in the past but for my own use I've just decided that IBT and Prime 95 followed up by a healthy dose of F@H and a bunch of hours of BFBC2 is good enough for me.

For a starting point this is what has worked well for me. Reset everything to stock or reset optimized defaults. Open CPU-Z, Turbo-V can come in handy here too. Now run Prime 95 small fft with everything stock. Take notice to v-core in CPU-Z and take a screen shot, validate it or just write down the stock load voltage. If you were to open Turbo-V it will give you the stock v-core setting which won't be the same as CPU-Z due to Vdroop. Saving a screenshot with CPU-z, Turbo-V, and Realtemp or HWMonitor running will come in handy.

Once that is done you have a good place to start with on your v-core. Basically you want to go into BIOS and take v-core out of auto and set a voltage that will give you the same load voltage as stock. The v-core setting displayed in Turbo-V should do the trick.

Once that is done you will need to lock in a few other voltages to appropriate values.

Dram/Ram Voltage - Find the recomended voltage for your RAM. Somewhere around 1.35v - 1.65v

Ram timings - just lock in the stock timings. There is alot of settings in the timing section the ones that need changed or locked in should be at the top of the page. I think when people first look at the timing section there is usually some sort of OMG impression but then after taking a little closer look they figure out that setting those 8-8-8-24-1t or whatever timings are pretty simple. Usually first # is the fist setting, 2nd # the second setting,3rd the third setting, 4th the fourth setting and then the command rate (1t) is just a couple of settings down.

PCH - 1.05v - this is stock and the lowest setting available. Just lock it in so that once you start overclocking it doesn't go bouncing up and overheating the chipset.

CPU PLL - 1.80v - Just a good starting point here and it is highly doubtful that you would need to touch it again.

Uncore voltage which gets tricky first of all because every board manufacture calls this voltage something different and Asus calls it muliple things depending on which BIOS you have. For asus it is probably IMC or IMC Voltage. Could also be QPI/Dram Core Voltage. Is also more commonly listed as VTT by other manufactures. If you have trouble finding it just post listing the different options and myself or someone else should be able to pin point it for you in nothing flat. Also forgive me if I keep calling it uncore voltage or VTT and it is listed as something else for you.

OK here is a hard rule you HAVE to follow. uncore/VTT/IMC voltage HAS to remain WITHIN .5v of the DRAM Voltage. This can be a problem with 760's because stock uncore voltage can be quite low in the 1.10v range and it is common for RAM to be rated at 1.65v. If you were to run that combo expect to be RMAing your CPU to Intel sooner rather than later with a damaged Internal Memory Controller.

Dramatics out of the way the uncore voltage can primarily be thought of as the voltage for the Internal Memory Controller (IMC). There is a little more to it but that is an easy way to think of it. Just keep in the back of your mind that the baseclock can be somewhat VTT () dependent at times and the vcore can also have effect on the stability of the IMC. Generally you want to run this voltage as low as you can keep stable while staying within that .5v of DRAM Voltage limit. Anything over 1.3v is getting pretty high but generally is considered safe to 1.4v although that would make me a little nervous for long term 24/7 use. For starting out a overclock on my 760 I like to set it to 1.3v and get everything else stable first. Then go back and lower it a little at a time testing for stability and lower it as far as I can keep stable at.

CPU Ratio. 21 or 20 are going to be your best options with the 760. I like 21 and I suggest you start with it. Try out 20 though afterwards and compare the 2. I can run the same CPU frequency at a lower vcore with 21 than 20. Your chip might like 20 better and you won't know until you try both. With your RAM 19 might become an attractive option but anything over 200 on the baseclock can become rather challenging.

Ok now you have some values locked in. Go ahead and bump the baseclock up to 150ish and then save and load windows. Run IBT for 3-5 passes of standard. Have Realtemp running while doing so. Shouldn't be a problem. I like to watch the MAX temps row in real temp. You should be looking at keeping the max core temps below 80C.

Now go back in and bump the base clock up 4MHz or so. Then retest. Keep doing this until you fail the test. Should be able to make it to mid 160's to low 170's at stock voltage. Now once you fail go back into BIOS and bump the vcore a minimun increment maybe 2 (.00625v -.0125v) Then rerun the test. If you pass yippee keep going with the baseclock. If you fail again bump the vcore again. Usually around 175 or so I'll start just going 1-2MHz at a time. Now just keep repeating until you hit goal. 181 X 21 will give you a nice 3.8GHz overclock 191 for 4.01GHz. Once where you want to be up the ante on stability testing and make adjustmenst to keep it stable.

On 760's what vcore you will need to reach 4.0 can vary widely. I'm rock solid stable at 1.14v -1.15v. ( http://i771.photobucket.com/albums/x...r/aeb7100c.png ) others can take closer to 1.375v. You get bragging rights for anything under 1.3v but as long as your temps are ok its all good. Once again keep the cores under 80C at full load.

Well my fingers hurt from typing too much so I'm going to go stick my hand in a bag of ice then go shoot some baddies. Hopefully something in that jumble of words will help you out or at least get you started down the right path once you get your new cooler.
Edited by ~sizzzle~ - 2/24/11 at 9:46am
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All right, i'm gonna have to read that several more times to even have a hope of making it understandable to me, but i'll get there.

Running burn test right now. OC'd to 2.9 GHz (just a small OC for now) and it passed on "Standard" stress. currently doing high. will continue to move up. if it passes, i'll OC to a little over 3GHz and see where it goes from there.

EDIT: Just finished "Very High" stress on that OC. Took 18 mins but said i was all good. Might to "Maximum" stress level tomorrow, depending on how patient I am. For now, i'm just gonna leave it at that small OC of (when you look at the full number, you would round it to 3GHz) almost 3GHz until i get my fan(s) (really considering ordering the dual fans) because i'm not feeling brave enough with anymore of an OC right now with all of that stock cooling. Once i get it, i'm gonna slowly work my way up to around 3.6GHz.
Edited by SuperKrauser - 2/24/11 at 10:18pm
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Stock cooler won't get you too far. Did you lock in stock vcore ? I hope you are monitoring temps. Best just to wait until you have the new cooler.

Use the time until then learning all you can. Go explore the BIOS, change some stuff, check out the different options. Make note of things you don't know what they are and google them or ask. Don't be scared to check everything out, Just don't save.

Also it is a good idea to make a template of all of your BIOS overclocking options. Save it to notepad, Print a few copies. I'll include one of mine so you know what I'm talking about. Mine will look different because I have a different brand of board and slightly different BIOS options. Generally though just make it look like your BIOS screen. Where you can start and the top and work your way down in order.

Quote:
4.0

Memory Cofigure

DRAM SPD.............[Standard]
DRAM Frequency......................................... ....[2:8]
timings set to your own RAM's spec, mine are 7-9-7-24-1T

Memory Low Gap .................[AUTO]
Memory Remap Feature.........[Enabled]
Memory Hole.......................[Disabled]
DRAM Margin Ranks..............[Disabled]

CPU Configuration

Hardware Prefetcher......................[Enabled]
Adjacent Cache Line Prefetch..........[Enabled]
MPS and ACPI MADT ordering..........[modern ordering]
Max CPUID Value Limit..................[Disabled]
Intel Virtualization Tech................[Disabled]
Execute-Disable Bit Capabili..........[Enabled]
Active Processore Cores................[ALL]
A20M.........................................[Disabled]

C1E Support...............................[Disabled]
Intel SpeedStep Tech..................[Disabled]
Intel C-STATE tech ....................[Disabled]

Frequency/Voltage Control

Dummy O.C.........................[Disabled]
CPU Multiplier Setting ..........[21]
CPU Skew Control.................[0ps]
Clockgen Switch Mode...........[Disable]
CPU Frequency Setting..........[191]
PCIE Frequency Setting.........[100]
QPI Frequency Selection........[Auto]
MCH Strap...........................[DRAM Ratio]

Extreme Cooling..................[Disable]
EVGA VDroop Control...........[With VDroop]
Bootup CPU VCore...............[1.18750V]
Eventual CPU VCore.............[1.18750V]
DIMM Voltage.....................[1.64]
Bootup CPU VTT..................[1.275]
Eventual CPU VTT................[1.275]
PCH...................................[1.050V]
CPU PLL.............................[1.800V]

DIMM 1DIMM 1/2 DQ Vref..............[+.0mV]
DIMM 1DIMM 3/4 DQ Vref..............[+.0mV]
DIMM 1DIMM 1/2 CA Vref..............[+.0mV]
DIMM 1DIMM 3/4 CA Vref..............[+.0mV]

CPU PWM Frequency....................[477 KHz]
VTT PWM Frequency....................[240 KHz]
DDR PWM Frequency...................[240KHz]
CPU Signal 1..............................[auto]
CPU Signal 3..............................[auto]
CPU Signal 4..............................[auto]
CPU PCIE 1................................[Auto]
CPU PCIE 2................................[Auto]
DDR Signal 1..............................[Auto]
DDR Signal 2..............................[Auto]
DDR Signal 3..............................[Auto]
DMI Signal.................................[Auto]
PCH Signal.................................[Auto]

Edited by ~sizzzle~ - 2/24/11 at 10:50pm
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Okay, i'm gonna try and get that done tomorrow then.
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All right, i ended up going into my Ai Tweaker section and copied everything, and went into my CPU Config section (BIOS--> Advanced--> CPU Config). I copied everything there. As seen below (seperate quotes for each). By the way, i was wrong. Rounding, my core clock is actually closer to 2.9Ghz, not 3.
Sorry if brackets aren't lined up right. May or may not be, depending on the time i have to type this all up.

(Black/Gray/Blue= How it appears in the bios. Some areas that are black may actually be gray, etc. Blue should all be correct though.)

Ai Tweaker:
Quote:
Target CPU Frequency: 2940MHz
Target DRAM Frequency: 1403MHz

You Can OC based on option "OC From CPU Level Up"

Ai Overclock Tuner [Manuel]
OC From CPU Level Up [i7-870-2.93GHz)
CPU Ratio Setting [21.0]
Intel(R) SpeedStep(TM) Tech [Enabled]
Xtreme Phase Full Power Mode [Auto]
BCLK Frequency [140]
PCIE Frequency [100]
DRAM Frequency [Auto]
OPI Frequency [Auto]
Asus/3rd Party UI Priority [Asus Utility]

OC Tuner [Turbo Profile]
Start Auto Tuning

>DRAM Timing Control

CPU Difference Amplitude [Auto]
CPU Clock Skew [Auto]


***********Please Key In Numbers Directly!*********
CPU Voltage Mode [Manuel]
Fixed Voltage [Auto]
Current CPU Core Voltage [1.184V]
IMC Voltage [Auto]
Current IMC Voltage [1.100V]
DRAM Voltage [Auto]
Current DRAM Voltage [1.546V]
PCH Voltage [Auto]
Current PCH Voltage [1.050V]
DRAM DATA REF VOLTAGE ON CHA [Auto]
DRAM DATA REF VOLTAGE ON CHB [Auto]

************************************************** *
Load-Line Calibration [Auto]
CPU Speed Spectrum [Auto]
PCIE Speed Spectrum [Auto]
CPU Config:

Quote:
Manufacturer: Intel
Brand String: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU 760 @ 2.80 GHz
Frequency: 2.94 GHz
BCLK Speed: 140MHz
Cache L1: 256 KB
Cache L2: 1024 KB
Cache L3: 8192 KB
Ratio Status: (Min: 09, Max: 22)
Ratio Actual Value: 21
CPUID: 106E5


CPU Ratio Setting [21.0]
C1E Support [Disabled]
Hardware Prefetcher [Enabled]
Adjacent Cache Line Prefetch [Enabled]
Max CPUID Value Limit [Disabled]
Intel(R) Virtualization Tech [Enabled]
CPU TM Function [Enabled]
Execute Disable Bit Capability [Enabled]
Active Processor Cores [All]
A20M [Disabled]
Intel(R) SpeedStep(TM) Tech [Enabled]
Intel(R) C-STATE Tech [Enabled]

If you have any questions about the options you can choose from (i.e. Enabled, or Disabled, etc.) then i can answer those. If you need info from another area on BIOS, i can write that down for you.
Edited by SuperKrauser - 2/27/11 at 10:38pm
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Current CPU Core Voltage [1.84V]

Hopefully that is a typo ?!?!

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For a starting point this is what has worked well for me. Reset everything to stock or reset optimized defaults. Open CPU-Z, Turbo-V can come in handy here too. Now run Prime 95 small fft with everything stock. Take notice to v-core in CPU-Z and take a screen shot, validate it or just write down the stock load voltage. If you were to open Turbo-V it will give you the stock v-core setting which won't be the same as CPU-Z due to Vdroop. Saving a screenshot with CPU-z, Turbo-V, and Realtemp or HWMonitor running will come in handy.

Once that is done you have a good place to start................................
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Current CPU Core Voltage [1.84V]

Hopefully that is a typo ?!?!
It is. I fixed it. 1.184 was the correct at the time lol. I need to double check and edit things more.

Anyway, i'll work on what you put down in your quote from earlier. Thanks.
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all right. did this. got the same as above (1.184 V). I can't figure out how to post a screen shot on here. how do you?
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LOL ya 1.184v is much better. I upload to photobucket then post the img link for the SS.


Disable speedstep

Enable full phase power

BClk - you just want to go up a little at a time. 2-4 MHz

Dram Frequency set to the lowest setting available or the 2:6 multiplier. Your at 2:10 right now.

QPI Frequency should have 2 settings available. You can lock it into the lowest setting or leave it auto, try both ways and see which way works best. Or just leave it in auto for now.

CPU Defference Amplitude set to 800mV

CPU Core Voltage take it out of Auto and lock in the stock voltage of 1.184v if that was under load (Prime 95) it will need to be a bit higher. to make up for Vdroop.

IMC Voltage - I'd set it up around 1.3v to start with then later on lower it as much as you can but keep it within .5v of the DRAM Voltage.

DRAM Voltage set to spec for the RAM.

PCH Voltage lock it into 1.05v.

Disable Load Line Calibration

Disable CPU spread Spectrum

Disable PCIE spread spectrum

Disable speedstep

Disable C-State Tech

For starter you just want to see how far you can raise the baseclock on stock voltage. I'd bump up to 150 and run 5 runs of IBT standard (be sure to set the threads to 8 yourself). Pass that then raise to 154 etc.. Until you can't pass it. Monitor temps here while doing this. You want to keep the load temps under 80C.
Edited by ~sizzzle~ - 2/27/11 at 11:33pm
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Got it to attach below. Found the option on the page to upload a file from comp to post. It's on my photobucket anyway though.

Now do i need to do the above now, or after i get the new fan? Is it safe, etc?
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