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post #31 of 60
CPU bottleneck= Yes
Worth caring about, even on stock= Not except in GTA4.

Just play your god dammed game. If you want more performance, go grab BD when it comes out.

If you have low FPS, determine if it's just crap ass coding, or if its fixable. if it's fixable by a OC, do it.
post #32 of 60
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All im trying to do is remind you that not everyone demands every little bit of juice from their computer and that not every performance hit is a massive issue. Im certain his computer performs very well with those parts.

Im not trying to debate the merits of my view vs yours or anyone else's, although that is the form my argument takes.
Im just trying to add something to the discussion I don't see often enough on OCN. Perspective. How parts actually work on our end of the screen.
We get so caught up in the latest and greatest hardware and how powerful things are that we forget that for all the power we put into our systems, we are still the weak link.

There may be a bottleneck, but on end of the screen we inhabit its probably not there. And thats something people seem to forget on here.

Granted im not answering the OPs question.
Although what im trying to do its a bit of a lost cause I still feel its necessary.

OP, you will have a bottleneck in some games.
In most games there either wont be one or it wont be noticeable to you at all.

But now im off to bed. Its 2:37AM and ive got work in at 9.
If you don't mind your gpu not performing near what it could in optimal conditions than yes, phenom II's are fine. Yes it will very likely be completely playable in a vast majority of games but there are several games where the gpu use of OPs card will certainly drop to the point where it will barely even be working at half its power. The fact of the matter is there is a bottleneck, that is what OP asked. And as soon as someone points out that phenom II's do infact cause bottlenecking with high end video card setups they get jumped on almost instantly by multiple people saying "LOL only if you jerk off to benchmarks", or "Intel cheats and makes AMD cpus run slower using their instruction sets."

It's ridiculous, it's a hardware company and the fact that people are fanboys of either side is just stupid. I hope they enjoy buying an inferior product because they dislike the side that makes the clearly better product at the time. Lastly, the part I bolded. It has nothing to do Perspective, some setups are just bad. What is the point of buying a high end video card if it only performs as well as a mid range video card in any cpu intensive game that only utilizes 2-3 threads? It makes no sense and it's a waste of money. If someone is going to buy a high end video card they should spend the money on a cpu that can push it to its max at all times. Whether that cpu be from AMD or intel, it doesn't matter. Get what is best at the time to get the best performance for the best price. Anything else is stupid.
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Well I am running an AMD phenom II 925 @ only 3.36 GHZ and with an Nvidia GTX 560 ti I can run every game I have on maxed out settings with no lag whatsoever.

These games include Starcraft 2, Crysis, Fallout 3, Dead Space 2, Civilization 5. These games are all pretty amazing, and look great.

Technically speaking I only run Crysis on High Settings, instead of very high but it still looks AMAZING. All the other games actually are completely maxed out on the settings.

So technically AMD phenoms do in fact bottle neck extremely high end video cards. But I do a lot of high end PC gaming and the only two scenarios where I have ever experienced any sort of bottle neck is Crysis on Very High instead of High, and in 3dMark 11 I score about P4425 when I could score higher if I had a better cpu.

So one bottleneck on the game with the best graphics I have seen (The settings I run at STILL look amazing and run perfectly), and one bottleneck on a benchmark...

I don't consider that to be a good reason to upgrade my cpu personally. I would like to wait until there are actually higher end games and applications where I have bottlenecks that actually matter.

Edit: Oh, and my CPU idles under 30 degrees and only gets to around 45 degrees Celsius in prime 95 maxed. So I could probably overclock higher then 3.36 GHZ relatively easily, yet I feel no need to because its easily fast enough for my personal needs. So these guys using phenoms at 3.5+ GHZ is some pretty serious performance for gaming in my opinion.
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the only two scenarios where I have ever experienced any sort of bottle neck is Crysis on Very High instead of High ... I could score higher if I had a better cpu




    
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@BallaTheFeared i wouldn't say it's a bottleneck, it's just that some games profit of high integer performance. And that's where SB is king.
And as far as i know, integer on i7's wasn't alot better then phenoms.


I would say a stock 955 with a 6950 can be a bottleneck in certain games, but really i doubt a 4Ghz 955 would be able to bottleneck a 6950. Ofcourse you will get better performance with a SB chip but that's not what "a bottleneck" means for me.
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OP is playing @ 1080p - according to his sig anyway.
I'm getting almost identical fps in games (new dx11 games) to people with nehalems at this resolution.

955 pretty much matches a nehalem quad at those resolutions.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...s-i7,2360.html
The higher the resolution the more the graphics card is taxed - not the cpu. At 1080p 955 should be just fine for gaming - the i7 920 only marginally better (to the point where you'd notice no real world difference).

Now with a sb or bulldozer it might be a different story.
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post #37 of 60
The way I view a cpu bottleneck is if overclocking the cpu results in better fps, or upgrading your cpu results in higher fps.

It's all relative.

For you going from 42 fps in Mafia II (physx/max settings) to 58 fps may not warrant a cpu change, and even for me it wasn't the deciding factor.

However I wanted more gpu power, and I wanted full gpu utilization. Furthermore I wanted to go SLI when 470s get cheap, because when you put a block on them they go super saiyan.

I saw a lot of "low gpu usage" coming from both ATI and Nvidia people, and almost every time they were running a cpu intensive game and had a Phenom II chip. I did my own honest look at it and my results left me less than assured. So with the need for a new DDR3 board, and SB coming out right in my price range I went ahead and tried it.
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Well i know one thing, If BD is not as good or better as SB for the same price or lower i will be buying a SB mobo & cpu. I won't think 2 sec about it.
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You do know in the review you linked they're using weak gpus to start, and weaker ones on the i7 right?
    
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The way I view a cpu bottleneck is if overclocking the cpu results in better fps, or upgrading your cpu results in higher fps.

It's all relative.

For you going from 42 fps in Mafia II (physx/max settings) to 58 fps may not warrant a cpu change, and even for me it wasn't the deciding factor.

However I wanted more gpu power, and I wanted full gpu utilization. Furthermore I wanted to go SLI when 470s get cheap, because when you put a block on them they're go super saiyan.

I saw a lot of "low gpu usage" coming from both ATI and Nvidia people, and almost every time they were running a cpu intensive game and had a Phenom II chip. I did my own honest look at it and my results left me less than assured. So with the need for a new DDR3 board, and SB coming out right in my price range I went ahead and tried it.
I must admit getting a 2500k and p67 mobo has crossed my mind. Would like something a little better push along my card (getting low gpu usage on some cpu intensive games as you say).

Just gonna have to force myself to wait until bd comes out, see what the options are then. 955 will have to suffice until then.

42-58fps i a huge leap in performance imo.
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