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Ok, I forgot that.
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post #52 of 60
no sir it is not bottle necking your system
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Originally Posted by BallaTheFeared View Post
I don't really know why people say "reach this magic number and you won't bottleneck".

It's just simply not true.

Here is my 1090T at 4.3 to 4.5 (anyones guess, but I never ran it below 4.3) with a 3+ ghz nb.



You can see on the right I was met with a bottleneck I could never overclock my self out of. And at the time I never even noticed it, it was only later when I was going through my uploads that I saw it and understood exactly what it meant.

It's a snip from World of Warcraft, and it depicts a single GTX 470 getting choked out hard.
You really need a plot of your CPU usage against it to see if it was choked, or just under-used because of lack of demand. I would be very surprised if a 4.3 1090T is choking a 470, honestly I don't believe that at all.
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post #54 of 60
Quote:
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1. A mid range gpu won't benefit from a cpu upgrade (from a Phenom II), since it will already be the main bottleneck.

2. Ya.

3. k
I went from a 3.6 Q6600 to a 4.3 Q9550 with the same GTX260 and FarCry 2 got a useable FPS bump at 1680, same in Crysis Warhead with no FSAA. I'd consider a 260 a midrange or even low-midrange card at this point.
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Well since WoW is dual threaded, and nothing else is using cpu really. You can kinda match up all the core usage and combine it into 2 cores...

vsync was off.
    
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Quote:
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Well since WoW is dual threaded, and nothing else is using cpu really. You can kinda match up all the core usage and combine it into 2 cores...

vsync was off.
If you had a graph where 2 cores were maxed and your GPU throttling down, I'd maybe believe it. Also you'd need to show FPS at the time. If your GPU is at %40 and your FPS is 200, you're not choking.
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post #57 of 60

FPS were around 32, as I flew into a major city.

BFBC2 attempting fraps with max settings

1090T:


i5-2500k:

i5-2500k was only a bit faster than the 1090T, though that changed dramatically when I attempted to fraps the game. The 1090T required me to set the fps down to 30, and it wasn't able to maintain that. You can see it jerking in the video, you can also see me hesitating because of the issue.

The i5-2500k was not only able to handle fraps, but it was able to maintain higher min fps while running fraps than the 1090T could do without it.

Coming from a 1090T/965/555/555/245 to a i5-2500k and seeing the power it has first hand is pretty amazing.
    
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I find these discussions fascinating and love hearing both points of view simply because I'm still trying to figure out whether I've got the same thing going on with my rig. I've been considering an i7/SB platform change based on exactly what Balla has experienced. I feel that I'll still get a much better overall experience out of my rig simply by switching out my mobo/cpu to something that can throw more data at my cards.

With 3x GTX260's (low-mid range as you have been saying) and a 4+Ghz 1090T, there are only 3 games where I'm able to reach 95-99% gpu utilization. I don't truly feel that I need to upgrade them quite yet. I know I'm vram limited, but I've been able to dodge that bullet for some time now.
 
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It's one of those discussions that will never end. There are too many variables, like game software, GPU type/speed, CPU type/speed, monitor resolution, how much quality and FSAA different people use.

The answer is different for different people. What it comes down to is not the absolutes, but your experience in the games you play.

Best example for me: Crysis Warhead was the only game that caused noticeable lag at 1080p for me on a 4.3 Q9550 and GTX260. This was only at 2xFSAA, everything else at "enthusiast". There would be group of people who say that both my platform AND GPU need to be updated. Truth was, I bumped to a GTX 570 on my "old" platform, and CW runs like butter with 4X FSAA at 1080p/enthusiast.

Do I need a 2600K at 5.0 'cause my 570 is "bottlenecked"? Of course not. But if you took a poll on OCN, it would probably be 50/50 that my 570 is bottlenecked.
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If you can get 3.7-3.8 out of any quad, you're not bottlenecked for gaming. For that matter, if you have 3.7-3.8 out of a dual-core, you're not bottlenecked for all but maybe 2 games. Even at lower resolution, you'll be getting enough FPS that you're still not bottlenecked, 140FPS vs 220FPS for example, you're still way over what you need.

I wish this would be put to rest 'cause I'm tired of the misuse of that term and all the misinformation in the daily bottlenecking threads.
A bottleneck simply means that a part is preventing another part from performing at its optimal speed. Just because it is still perfectly playable doesn't mean that the cpu isn't bottlenecking the gpu. You are the one misusing the term. If you are fine with your video card not running at its best speed thats fine, but some people want to get the most for their money and getting a high end card that in the end only performs as well as a card 100 dollars cheaper than it in any cpu intensive areas of games that only utilizes 2-3 threaeds doesn't make much sense.
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