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crap... now I have to rethink my upcoming purchases.

so who is this k1llsen guy and how the hell is he so good with a g9?
The kinzu's have mouse prediction too by the way and a far worse sensor then the mx518, and pros use the kinzu..
post #32 of 47
A mouse is a very personal thing. It's the one part of your rig aside from the displays you use the most.
I agree with the point that you need to find one that is comfortable when YOU hold it in YOUR normal way, and lets you press the buttons easily and quickly.

I have a Saitek Cyborg v3, and it's nice, especially when modded with a little extra weight. I also have a targa made cheap gaming mouse, and it's a bit more comfortable for longer term use. But it doesn't have the side buttons... Your own mileage, as always, will vary. Get what you like, and what you can use best.
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A mouse is a very personal thing. It's the one part of your rig aside from the displays you use the most.
I agree with the point that you need to find one that is comfortable when YOU hold it in YOUR normal way, and lets you press the buttons easily and quickly.

I have a Saitek Cyborg v3, and it's nice, especially when modded with a little extra weight. I also have a targa made cheap gaming mouse, and it's a bit more comfortable for longer term use. But it doesn't have the side buttons... Your own mileage, as always, will vary. Get what you like, and what you can use best.
^This, don't bother about what the pros are using.
post #34 of 47
Logitech G500 is the best mouse i have ever used. It really depends on your grip style. I would say that since your new to computer gaming get a cheap mouse for now and get a feel for what kind of grip you like. Click this link here as it might help you out as well.
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I agree it's a nice mouse at a really price. the mionix noas 5000 is great too.
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Originally Posted by WMO1.1a View Post
MX518 is not a good starting mouse, or a good mouse at all due to its absurd prediction and acceleration issues which can't be disabled.

If you absolutely must get a Logitech mouse then at least get a G500.
Oh boy..

-The Mx518 has moderate prediction, although it's not really bad enough to be listed as a con.
-The Mx518 does not have acceleration issues. Period.
-The Mx518 is balanced in shape and weight. (106g- average)
-The Mx518 utilizes a centered sensor position.

I don't know why you would recommend a G500 after saying that, but...

-The G500 weighs 120g without weights.
-The Mouse tends to be nose heavy and has a bad center of gravity (w/o weights).
-The Avago 9500 produces a 5-10% positive acceleration flaw inherit to the sensor on all surfaces.
-The perfect control rate is severely lowered on a majority of cloth surfaces. Low sens users may experience negative acceleration with quick swipes over 1.5 m/s.
-The G500's sensor position is awkwardly placed on the top of the mouse.

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Being the best Crysis Wars player doesn't mean anything as it's never played competitively. If you want to play the Pro card lets take a look at the top 20 players of a real game; Quake Live.

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Not a single one uses MX518 and for good reasons. Mouse prediction will always keep a player from reaching their true potential.
Okay, I don't mean to sound like a dick, but you're seriously misinformed.

The Salmosa has moderate prediction just like the Mx518.

The kinzu...Well lets just say it makes all other mice seem like prediction isn't an issue and no I'm not over exaggerating, it's that bad.

Oh yeah, we also can't forget about the positive acceleration and low malfunction rate, but I don't think you're concerned about real issues :|

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If you have that kind of mindset why are you even on these forums? The point we're trying to make is that not all sensors are created equal. If you want to improve your game you're not going to want an inferior sensor with mouse prediction such as the one in the MX518.
Inferior sensor.. ? You're talking about the Kinzu right?

I can also take a hit at the WMO seeing as it's far from perfect.

Lets see..

-Plastic encoder is prone to breaking, although same goes for the intellimouse line.
-Microswitches aren't the standard OMRON d2fc-f-7n and develop a double click flaw due to extensive use.
-The OS MLT04's perfect control rates are pretty low in comparison to a lot of the newer Avago sensors. Low sens users that require over 40cm/360 will trigger negative acceleration with any of the main MS mice (incl. 1.1, 3.0, and blue).
-Plastic mouse feet.

Now I'm not saying that the WMO is a bad or anything because it truly does outshine a ton of labeled gaming mice on the market, but please don't act like it's better than the 518, because in sheer sensor performance, it has your favorite mouse beat.
Edited by Skylit - 2/23/11 at 1:46am
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crap... now I have to rethink my upcoming purchases.

so who is this k1llsen guy and how the hell is he so good with a g9?
Killsen is the #4 ranked player in the world. As far as I know he's the only one who uses a G9 but it should be plenty proof that it's at the very least a more competent mouse than the awful MX518.

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The kinzu's have mouse prediction too by the way and a far worse sensor then the mx518, and pros use the kinzu..
Kinzu prediction can be disabled similar to the Xai as its not built into the sensor like MX518.

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Oh boy..

-The Mx518 has moderate prediction, although it's not really bad enough to be listed as a con.
-The Mx518 does not have acceleration issues. Period.
-The Mx518 is balanced in shape and weight. (106g- average)
-The Mx518 utilizes a centered sensor position.

I don't know why you would recommend a G500 after saying that, but...

-The G500 weighs 120g without weights.
-The Mouse tends to be nose heavy and has a bad center of gravity (w/o weights).
-The Avago 9500 produces a 5-10% positive acceleration flaw inherit to the sensor on all surfaces.
-The perfect control rate is severely lowered on a majority of cloth surfaces. Low sens users may experience negative acceleration with quick swipes over 1.5 m/s.
-The G500's sensor position is awkwardly placed on the top of the mouse.



Okay, I don't mean to sound like a dick, but you're seriously misinformed.

The Salmosa has moderate prediction just like the Mx518.

The kinzu...Well lets just say it makes all other mice seem like prediction isn't an issue and no I'm not over exaggerating, it's that bad.

Oh yeah, we also can't forget about the positive acceleration and low malfunction rate, but I don't think you're concerned about real issues :|



Inferior sensor.. ? You're talking about the Kinzu right?

I can also take a hit at the WMO seeing as it's far from perfect.

Lets see..

-Plastic encoder is prone to breaking, although same goes for the intellimouse line.
-Microswitches aren't the standard OMRON d2fc-f-7n and develop a double click flaw due to extensive use.
-The OS MLT04's perfect control rates are pretty low in comparison to a lot of the newer Avago sensors. Low sens users that require over 40cm/360 will trigger negative acceleration with any of the main MS mice (incl. 1.1, 3.0, and blue).
-Plastic mouse feet.

Now I'm not saying that the WMO is a bad or anything because it truly does outshine a ton of labeled gaming mice on the market, but please don't act like it's better than the 518, because in sheer sensor performance, it has your favorite mouse beat.
Moderate prediction problems is a huge understatement. Mouse prediction on the MX518 often determines the difference between hitting a shot and whiffing. It's a pretty glaring flaw that Logitech didn't even bother to fix in the recent MX518 revision.

Also WMO-IE1.1-IE3.0 @ 500hz outperform MX518 anyday.
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I use to use a G5 until it finally gave out after 2 years of hard usage. Now I am on the G500 and I LOVE it. It feels much better than the G5 and is a lot smoother.
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Killsen is the #4 ranked player in the world. As far as I know he's the only one who uses a G9 but it should be plenty proof that it's at the very least a more competent mouse than the awful MX518.



Kinzu prediction can be disabled similar to the Xai as its not built into the sensor like MX518.



Moderate prediction problems is a huge understatement. Mouse prediction on the MX518 often determines the difference between hitting a shot and whiffing. It's a pretty glaring flaw that Logitech didn't even bother to fix in the recent MX518 revision.

Also WMO-IE1.1-IE3.0 @ 500hz outperform MX518 anyday.
Well from my resources and searching the kinzu's prediction can't be disabled, it's also much much higher rate of prediction then the mx518. Oh by the way every mouse has prediction, just varying degrees of it, the mice that you'd say have none just have very very little prediction. 1 person doesn't make the mx518 garbage, In fact going by pros doesn't work. Look at the guys who use the kinzu which is garbage and is imo the worst sensor in the "gaming" mouse category.
Edited by Eagle1337 - 2/23/11 at 9:55am
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