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I'm considering hardware from t-balancer.com, primarily because of the emergency power off if water temps get too high. I think they might be able to keep the loop running for a little bit after the rest of the system is powered off. I like the idea of the pump running for another minute or so after the CPU is off.

Whatcha think? What hardware/software do you use to monitor your loop?
    
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I just have Afterburner monitoring my temps and Core Temp monitoring my CPU temps. No need for emergency power shut off. I haven't heard of anything failing. Not to mention, isn't there Temp safe guards in your BIOS?
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What do you mean? I don't get it. What's the point in having the pump run when you turn your PC off?

If you mean like.. CPU overheating, you can set it so that your PC shuts down at "insert random number" temps (If you are sleeping and your pump dies, the CPU will shutdown at lets say 85C or whatever).

Use MSI Afterburner for GPU temperatures & load and what not

and Realtemp for CPU
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post #4 of 21
I have had a pump fail. I've got the T-Balancer BigNG and Sensor Hub, you need both to use the shutdown feature, shutdown on water temp is pretty useless though, its a gradual change and hard to get a sensor really close to the block. Using the pump's rpm (if it has one) and the software values for the CPU/GPU (you can pass them out to the T-Ban with speedfan) would be faster.

Personally though I use Everest (now AIDA64) and have shutdown on CPU and GPU temps set in that (think you may need the engineer version now), I don't leave my PC running when I'm not around.

(The T-ban software does work in win7 but it was a bit of a fight for me to get it going)
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post #5 of 21
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mbudden: How many seconds between pump failure and BIOS shutdown? I want to make that time as short as possible. I don't consider it a requirement, but if I can do it for a reasonable price, I will. IMO BIOS emergency shutdown is not to be trusted, bad experiences where it didn't catch it in time -- and that was just a bad CPU fan!

Lune: To cool it off for a few seconds after the CPU runs. Think about it -- you power off the system and not only does the CPU shut down, but your pump does too. What happens to all the heat the CPU has at the moment the power is cut? I don't know the exact numbers involved, but I'm not comfortable with all that heat staying in the water in the block...water that's not moving. I'm okay with using software, but the T-Balancer stuff is hardware that can be programmed to do the shutdown thing on its own.

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mbudden: How many seconds between pump failure and BIOS shutdown? I want to make that time as short as possible. I don't consider it a requirement, but if I can do it for a reasonable price, I will. IMO BIOS emergency shutdown is not to be trusted, bad experiences where it didn't catch it in time -- and that was just a bad CPU fan!

Lune: To cool it off for a few seconds after the CPU runs. Think about it -- you power off the system and not only does the CPU shut down, but your pump does too. What happens to all the heat the CPU has at the moment the power is cut? I don't know the exact numbers involved, but I'm not comfortable with all that heat staying in the water in the block...water that's not moving. I'm okay with using software, but the T-Balancer stuff is hardware that can be programmed to do the shutdown thing on its own.

PS: Congrats on post 3,000.
Doesn't matter that the heat is still there, it wont do any harm! It's not like your CPU is running 100c+
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Sounds to me like you're paranoid though. Hardware/Software can only do so much. Not to mention even hardware prevention could fail.

I recommend you turning off the computer or putting it in Hibernate when you leave. Since when you're on the computer, you're able to catch when the CPU fails.
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Lune: Probably not, but it's enough to make me uncomfortable. I work with data centers and million dollar cooling units. Based on what Darren9 said though, software might still be the best.

Darren9: Or am I misinterpreting? If the temp probe isn't helpful, and software has to be involved anyway, is the T-Balancer's ability to pull the plug useful or would the same software telling the BIOS to shut everything down be sufficient?

mbudden: Probably, but it doesn't hurt for others to give me a reality check, eh? Darn it...keep getting 'd.
    
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Lune: Probably not, but it's enough to make me uncomfortable. I work with data centers and million dollar cooling units. Based on what Darren9 said though, software might still be the best.

Darren9: Or am I misinterpreting? If the temp probe isn't helpful, and software has to be involved anyway, is the T-Balancer's ability to pull the plug useful or would the same software telling the BIOS to shut everything down be sufficient?

mbudden: Probably, but it doesn't hurt for others to give me a reality check, eh? Darn it...keep getting 'd.
The only time it becomes useful is if windows crashes (both Speedfan and Everest can do software shutdown by temp). A flow-meter or rpm from the pump would be more usefull than water temp, having the T-ban make a shutdown if the water stops flowing or a fan on the rad fails would be all you need and totally independant of the OS or bios.
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The only time it becomes useful is if windows crashes (both Speedfan and Everest can do software shutdown by temp). A flow-meter or rpm from the pump would be more usefull than water temp, having the T-ban make a shutdown if the water stops flowing or a fan on the rad fails would be all you need and totally independant of the OS or bios.
In your experience, how often would it be necessary to use this capability? Is the current generation of BIOS capable of shutting things down? I don't want to get a T-Balancer just for the emergency shutdown if the BIOS can reliably do this on its own.
    
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