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Here's the story, TLDR at bottom: I have an Athlon ii X3 450 3.2ghz unlocked after lowering HT Link Speed from 2.0ghz/Auto to 1.6ghz to a 4th core. I haven't had a problem in the month or so now sicne I built, until 2 days ago my PC unexpectedly crashed and restarted.

So that night I ran prime95 for 24 hours. When I came home 24 hours later, my PC screen was off like it should be, but when I moved the mouse around and hit keys on the keyboard, no response. I reset the PC. I'm not sure what happened, but prime95 log shows nothing but 'passed!' until about 23 hours of testing. I'm not sure what caused the crash, but I was thinking it was Coretemp's 'Automatic' overheat protection, whatever that temperature is.

Looking into this, I realized my Coretemp must be off - actually, all my cpu temps are wrong, speedfan, everest, cpu-z - because my temps are from 14-20*C, which can't be right because my room ambient temperature is around 75*F - or about 26*C.

So since Coretemp usually goes to abuot 54*C in a few hours in prime95, I assume this is actually more like 65*C at least, so my PC must have overheated and shut down? On the other hand, it's kind of weird my PC shut down after 23 hours, as overheating on prime95 would've happened earlier?

Anyways, my main question is how to figure out where to set my offsets (is coretemp reading different from bios reading? on startup bios always seems a bit hotter at about 27*C, i figure its just a boost on CPu but it cant get that hot, about 10*C of what coretemp says at idle, in 10 seconds right?). If possible, maybe I could figure out what caused the crash, or a way to figure out what caused it (I was thinking adjusting coretemp to correct temperature, then turn on logging).
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If you unlock a fourth core on a 3 core processor, CPU temperatures won't monitor correctly.
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So how am I supposed to monitor my temps?

Also, maybe of note, on speedfan my temps read as:

GPU 31c
Temp1 21c
Temp2 27c
Temp3 26c
Core 16c (same as every other program)

Maybe those TempX's are more true to what my temperature is? I'm not even sure where those sensors are reading from. I guess my Biostar a770e3 has sensors all over it or something
Edited by Belial - 2/22/11 at 2:25pm
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try HWmoniter and looking at socket temp
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HW Monitor shows this:
THRM: 21
TMPIN0: 20
TMPIN1: 27
TMPIN2: 27

While all 4 cores on HWMonitor show up as the same as CPUZ, Coretemp, etc as 15*C for all of them (right now just a bunch of Chrome pages up and posting on this forum, clrly).

And I'm pretty sure ambient temperature right now is a comfortable 75*F, or 23.8*C. So seeing as its impossible for the case to be equal or below this, TMPIN2/1 is the only correct sensor?

That's a whole 12*C higher. As prime95 after a few hours is about 55*C, 55+12 = 72, very close to the max of 75. My system probably shut down from heat, and maybe didn't shut down until 23 hours later because its right on the cusp of too much heat? And whats to say my system is even at 27*C, it could be higher. Or lower.

Wish there was some damn log somewhere of what caused the system lockup or shutdown or whatever happened. I'm not really sure what happened, as wouldn't a crash just be reset/power down, not a screen sleeping and PC locked up?
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Are you using stock fan?
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disable acc, watch the temps using hwmonitor
socket will be withing +/-5c from the core temps
run prime95 for a few minutes, and see which sensor follows the cpu temps closest

then use that sensor for cpu when the other core is unlocked
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Stock fan.

Thanks ffejrxx
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post #9 of 14
Thread Starter 

RECAP OF THREAD

So, the state of the thread today is this post (I'm assuming my PC crashed after 23 hours because of heat, Coretemp was never 54 it was more like 64 at minimum, probably 70, and it never crashed in first 3 hours because I was just barely under too hot, taking 23 hours to inch into shut down territory. i'm still not sure if my PC crashed after screen sleep, or what, all I know is it didn't wake up and prime95 shows the testing stopped after 23 hours and I came home after 25).

So:
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Originally Posted by ffejrxx View Post
disable acc, watch the temps using hwmonitor
socket will be withing +/-5c from the core temps
run prime95 for a few minutes, and see which sensor follows the cpu temps closest

then use that sensor for cpu when the other core is unlocked
I disabled ACC and went back to stock Athlon II X3 450 (as opposed to 4th core unlocked) and still kept my HT Link Speed at the lowered 1.6ghz from 2.0ghz. My temperatures on all programs - CPU-Z, CoreTemp, HWMonitor, Speedfan, all say the same 15*C as I type this post. Ambient temperature is about 75*F, or 26.8*C (assuming my thermometer is correct, but I know its about that as the room is just fine and cozy, not hot not cold just comfortably warm)

CoreTemps says Low 14*C High 27*C, right now 15*C
HW Monitor for CPU says 15*C now, low 14*C
Speedfan, same

Obviously this can't be right. And shutting off the 4th core, making my CPU back to stock settings, didn't change anything. My temps are still incorrect!

edit: even with ht link speed back to default "auto" (which is 2.0ghz as seen in system info programs) its the same low temps!

Bios always says about 31*C on the post screen, so I'm thinking I should just raise the offset on my CPU to be about 31*C on low load (ie raise it so its about 32 usually)? Or does it not scale correctly? EEp i have no idea what im doing :X
Edited by Belial - 2/22/11 at 9:31pm
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So I monitored bios for a while and the lowest at the start was 32*C, and it stayed at 36*C pretty much the whole time. I guess BIOS takes some CPU load? Because in the post I usually see 31. Is there any program that can monitor this temp? Apparently system temp is about 26*C, which is close to the socket sensor temps in HWmonitor. But I have no idea where the Coretemp/systemfan/general CPU readings of 16*C comes from.

Would it be a good idea to simply raise the offset of my Coretemp so the average of 16*C becomes 36*C? Or does that temperature simply not scale correctly?

I guess hitting 55*C on coretemp with no offset when I was running prime really meant about 75*C, really really hot and bad :X
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