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EDIT: Sorry about the title, *Sandforce*.
So I originally bought the 120GB Revodrive, which later found out wasn't compatible out of the box with my Crosshair IV Formula, so I had to use a ******-rig off of OCZ's site they came up with. After I ran some benchmarks, and even a program I use for scanning ISO files, I was pretty displeased with the results. My seq and sustained read/write speeds were half of what they used to be with my old 2 WD SSDs in Raid 0. Anyways, I figured it was the revodrive, and returned it and bought 2 60GB Patriot Infernos. Needless to say I got nearly the same benchmarks with this setup.

I don't understand what the huge hype about Sandforce was...? Sure, I see better speeds with the 4k/QD32 now, but I didn't know it was going to be a compromise...I mean damn, my write speeds are awful.

Anyone else had similar problems/results? I wish these SSDs would stop being advertised in non-real use speeds lol. Before someone says it, I'm aware companies use ATTO for benchmarks, but I've yet to ever see/notice speeds anywhere near those, which kind of defeats the purpose of paying much more for SSDs.



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Edited by syn_sic - 2/23/11 at 5:06pm
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So are you saying that you're not getting approximately 275/285 write/read in ATTO?

Benchmarks like CrystalDisk provide results that could probably be considered "worst case scenario" results.
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So are you saying that you're not getting approximately 275/285 write/read in ATTO?

Benchmarks like CrystalDisk provide results that could probably be considered "worst case scenario" results.
First off, I have 2 of the Inferno's in Raid 0, so in ATTO I get in the ballpark of 450-500MB for both read/write. But, of course, I never see those speeds.

My issue is that everything looks great in ATTO, big whoop, but I actually have slower drives than my previous generation 2 WD SSD Raid 0. I mean seriously, 136MB/s write speeds? Barely faster than a standard 7200RPM, and I'm using 2 SSDs!

I understand CDM uses different methods than ATTO, but CDM is realistic, ATTO is not. I feel like SSDs have taken a step back with Sandforce, as far as performance. I've tested this setup on a different board/processor as well...2.66 i7 on an Intel Extreme board. I got about 50MB/s faster for each sequential, same ATTO results. Still, the difference was not enough, in my opinion, to justify such lowered speeds.

No one else has this issue/finds this unreasonable? Benchmarks?
Edited by syn_sic - 2/23/11 at 3:24pm
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same here with a single OCZ Vertex 2 34nm version very far from the R285/W275 with a clean install and OS tweaks...
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same here with a single OCZ Vertex 2 34nm version very far from the R285/W275 with a clean install and OS tweaks...
No kidding, don't see 1 write speed even half of 275. I thought about doing the OS tweaks, but I can see now there's still not much to gain. What a shame.
post #6 of 24
well i paid 110 for the drive, its far better then my X25-V (currently on my laptop) and i gave 118 when they come out so i am not complaining much for the price not bad at all.
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It was explained to me that benchmark tools like CDM will never show anything close to 285/275 because of how it tests the drive (they're basically "real world" tests). It was then simultaneously explained to me that their tests can be considered "worst case scenario" tests which means that we should use ATTO to see if our SSD is able to operate at its full potential. I mean, 285/275 isn't guaranteed for each and every last read or write operation; it's just an "up to" specification. I have never seen a benchmarking tool like CDM show the 285/275 spec, and I never will because it's impossible.

So if ATTO is showing 275/285 write/read for a single drive, then the drive is working perfectly. But I don't know if whether or not 450-500 in ATTO is normal for two Sandforce drives in RAID-0, so I am unable comment on it.

Anyway, the reason why you never really see those speeds is because it's an "up to" spec. In other words, it depends on what you're doing with the drive (which means you might see the full 285/275 once in a while). Therefore, ATTO is a great benchmarking tool for seeing if the SSD is capable of its full potential (to see if it is working properly). My ATTO results are almost exactly 275/285, so I don't care what anything else says because thanks to ATTO, I know that my drive is working as advertised.
Edited by TwoCables - 2/23/11 at 7:00pm
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Would you be happy with it if you never used a benchmark test?

People need to stop using benchmarks, except to trouble shoot, and just enjoy the darn things.
    
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EDIT: Sorry about the title, *Sandforce*.
So I originally bought the 120GB Revodrive, which later found out wasn't compatible out of the box with my Crosshair IV Formula, so I had to use a ******-rig off of OCZ's site they came up with. After I ran some benchmarks, and even a program I use for scanning ISO files, I was pretty displeased with the results. My seq and sustained read/write speeds were half of what they used to be with my old 2 WD SSDs in Raid 0. Anyways, I figured it was the revodrive, and returned it and bought 2 60GB Patriot Infernos. Needless to say I got nearly the same benchmarks with this setup.

I don't understand what the huge hype about Sandforce was...? Sure, I see better speeds with the 4k/QD32 now, but I didn't know it was going to be a compromise...I mean damn, my write speeds are awful.

Anyone else had similar problems/results? I wish these SSDs would stop being advertised in non-real use speeds lol. Before someone says it, I'm aware companies use ATTO for benchmarks, but I've yet to ever see/notice speeds anywhere near those, which kind of defeats the purpose of paying much more for SSDs.
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Would you be happy with it if you never used a benchmark test?

People need to stop using benchmarks, except to trouble shoot, and just enjoy the darn things.
People also need to learn to read before they decide to write.
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Maybe I should use the same program to scan ISO files and then show you my results. I have a feeling that you'd be wondering why I'm still happy with my Sandforce drive.

As long as my drive's results in ATTO look fine, I'm happy. My system is amazingly fast, and it reboots from Windows in 28 seconds (Windows shut-down > mobo restart > POST > Windows boot > Desktop) . What more could I ask for right? I mean, just because my drive's read/write specs are up to 285/275, it doesn't mean I'll always see these read/write speeds for every single read and write operation.
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