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Please refer to page number 58 in your linked document. The max temperature is stated as being 70.
My god, you read through that? Bloody hell.
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Please refer to page number 58 in your linked document. The max temperature is stated as being 70.
That's for 95W phenom II's ! NOT the 125/140w ones ...
1055T 95W is safe up to 70°C, and a lot of athlons also but there are no 955/965 in 95W version

Se page 55 for 125/140W versions
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That's for 95W phenom II's ! NOT the 125/140w ones ...

1055T 95W is safe up to 70°C, and a lot of athlons also but there are no 955/965 in 95W version
Page number 58 concerns 125w AM3 processors.

Edit : Double checked to be sure and I am indeed correct.
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And it says max Tcase 55°C to 62°C
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That's for 95W phenom II's ! NOT the 125/140w ones ...
1055T 95W is safe up to 70°C, and a lot of athlons also but there are no 955/965 in 95W version

Se page 55 for 125/140W versions
even pg 55 says up to 70 c? The 62 is case temp. my case temp is sub 30s.
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End of story.

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Originally Posted by nicksasa View Post
And it says max Tcase 55°C to 62°C
That's the temperature inside the case which is far lower then your CPU die temperatures, always. TCLT is the controller temperature of the CPU die. Everyone please refer to page number 60 so you can understand what the terminology used in this document means.

Your thermal solution should be designed to keep the chip at Tcase max. But the chip itself is fully capable of handling temperatures up to Tclt. It's not optimum but neither is Tcasemax. As long as you stay below Tclt you are going to be just fine.

Edited by Licht - 2/23/11 at 9:49am
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post #37 of 63
That's not Tcase !
Tctl is the die temp. Tcase is the packaging temp.
And seeing as his motherboards reads 67°C on the sensor (measured on the socket) it's over 62°C (Tcase).

You still think I'm wrong ?


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That's the temperature inside the case
Tcase is the temp of the packaging. Not what's "inside".
Edited by nicksasa - 2/23/11 at 9:54am
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That's not Tcase !
Tctl is the die temp. Tcase is the packaging temp.
And seeing as his motherboards reads 67°C on the sensor (measured on the socket) it's over 62°C (Tcase).

You still think I'm wrong ?
You are implying then that the CPU temperature is not the temperature of the CPU die, the very thing the CPU temperature sensor is supposed to be reporting the temperature of. The programs we use to monitor CPU temperature are using the temperature sensor made to detect the temperature of the die. I did a little Googling and confirmed this.
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The CPu temp sensor on the motherboard measures the case temp, not the die temp. That's what core temps are.
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1. Tcase Max is the maximum case temperature specification which is a physical value in degrees
Celsius. Tcase Max can be any valid Tcase Max value in the range specified for the corresponding
OPN.
2. Tctl Max (maximum control temperature) is a non-physical temperature on an arbitrary scale that can be
used for system thermal management policies. Refer to the BIOS and Kernel Developer’s Guide (BKDG)
for AMD Family 10h Processors, order# 3111
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Originally Posted by nicksasa View Post
The CPu temp sensor on the motherboard measures the case temp, not the die temp. That's what core temps are.
Also
After careful reading I see what you are saying. Apparently there are two ways a program can display the temperature of the core. Some have adjustments made to represent the actual temperature of the CPU, and others simply display what the thermal probe sends on back. This means that you would need to listen to him or me based on which program is being used.
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