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Previous Thread : http://www.overclock.net/amd-memory/...-but-what.html

In the above thread i was having trouble with my system everything would power up but i wouldnt get any image on my monitor at first everything seems to have pointed to my RAM being dead but after i got a new set i still get the same problem so now im not so sure.

i have tried various things to see if i could figure out what it was but with the lack of a backup system it has been hard but when i got my new RAM today i still got the problem i had before

So i am thinking that it is now the Motherboard at fault and MAYBE its taken the RAM with it. i get power and everything, fans all go around, the Video Card fan goes around and everything but i get no image.

i am thinking that its either the CPU, Motherboard or the RAM or more then one of them that have died. i tried the system without the video card and using the motherboards inbuilt graphics card and still nothing so i am thinking that the 470 isnt at fault here.

So my question : Could the RAM/Motherboard going take out the CPU as well? i am thinking that it is either the RAM or the Motherboard but i cant rule that out. what would happen if the everything was fine but the CPU had gone?

i have no audio errors due to the fact i am using a usb speaker and it doesnt get far enough in to get the usb powered. Or would it be best just to RMA all 3 and pay the extra just to be safe that i know which is damaged and which isnt
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It's obviously not your PSU, as your fans etc are turning. But it's still possible it could still be that.

Unplug you computer.

First take out the gfx card. Inspect it COMPLETELY!, every little chip, capacitor, resistor everything. Sometimes those little round capacitors have marks stamped on the top of them. These when overheated can leak, look for slightly stained yellowish color on each of the tops of those, make sure none have burst, also look for obvious burn marks. Remove the GPU fan and inspect the board further.

Remove any other PCI & PCIe devices. ( I suggest restart your pc here while gfx card is out of the system just to rule it out of the equation)(will at least save you buying a new one if it still fails to boot)

If that's all good take out your ram, do the same inspect it completely. If it has heatsinks attached then remove them you can always glue them back on later.
(thermal glue obviously)

Now remove the CPU fan, look for any burn marks. Remove CPU chip, inspect it completely look at the mobo around where the CPU was.

Now Unplug everything in the motherboard, unscrew the mobo from the case.
Take it out of the case and inspect it completely for burst capacitors resistors, check your MOSFETS. Check the topside completely then turn it over and inspect the underside.

You should be able to find the issue simply by doing this. IF you do not feel confident doing this then take it to a computer tech or friend.

Fact was that there was absolutely nothing wrong with your ram. You assumed there was I'm guessing due to fail POST? you should still get pre-post screen without ram in your system, or faulty ram. You just wasted a good amount of money on new ram that wasn't needed.

Have you tried plugging in another monitor? I'f you don't have a spare monitor plug it into a TV. or take it to a computer shop and ask they plug it into a monitor to test for that.
Edited by gcampton - 2/23/11 at 6:55am
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We could help further if you actually explain fully what happened just before your system died. Did you smell any gunpowder? see any smoke, smell any weird burning smell? was it an electrical fault? thunderstorm? little sister threw a glass of coke on it? Was it overclocked? how was it overclocked?

What happens exactly now when you try to boot up. How many beeps do you hear? can you talk to the gfx card by holding shift alt? (i think it's shift alt, or ctrl + alt, or some crap, you should hear 3 beeps) do you see post bios?

Try to think of everything and anything that might help narrow down the search.
Edited by gcampton - 2/23/11 at 6:53am
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Originally Posted by gcampton View Post
It's obviously not your PSU, as your fans etc are turning. But it's still possible it could still be that.

Unplug you computer.

First take out the gfx card. Inspect it COMPLETELY!, every little chip, capacitor, resistor everything. Sometimes those little round capacitors have marks stamped on the top of them. These when overheated can leak, look for slightly stained yellowish color on each of the tops of those, make sure none have burst, also look for obvious burn marks. Remove the GPU fan and inspect the board further.

done, didnt see anything strange or anything leaking

Remove any other PCI & PCIe devices.

done and still nothing

If that's all good take out your ram, do the same inspect it completely. If it has heatsinks attached then remove them you can always glue them back on later.
(thermal glue obviously)

i have an RMA for the ram so i wouldnt want to do anything that could damage it further

Now remove the CPU fan, look for any burn marks. Remove CPU chip, inspect it completely look at the mobo around where the CPU was.

Will give that a try, the area on the mobo looks fine though as i looked around

Now Unplug everything in the motherboard, unscrew the mobo from the case.
Take it out of the case and inspect it completely for burst capacitors resistors, check your MOSFETS. Check the topside completely then turn it over and inspect the underside.

i will give that a try when i get back home

You should be able to find the issue simply by doing this. IF you do not feel confident doing this then take it to a computer tech or friend.

i will try them, i have already checked most of the parts and such but didnt check the CPU as i felt that it was very unlikely to be that

Fact was that there was absolutely nothing wrong with your ram. You assumed there was I'm guessing due to fail POST? you should still get pre-post screen without ram in your system, or faulty ram. You just wasted a good amount of money on new ram that wasn't needed.

i dont really mind, i needed some more RAM anyway and the errors about bad pool and page errors made me think it was the RAM

Have you tried plugging in another monitor? I'f you don't have a spare monitor plug it into a TV. or take it to a computer shop and ask they plug it into a monitor to test for that.

i will give that a try when i get back, already tested the monitor so i know its not that
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We could help further if you actually explain fully what happened just before your system died. Did you smell any gunpowder? see any smoke, smell any weird burning smell? was it an electrical fault? thunderstorm? little sister threw a glass of coke on it?

What happens exactly now when you try to boot up.
on the day it happened i got a BSoD about a bad page pool or something but after i restarted the computer everything seemed fine and i started up a game on Football Manager 2011 and that was going fine, it was loading up a new game and then i got another BSoD but this time got no error code or error message just loads of the middle text stuff that you get after the error message but before you get the error code.

After that i switched the computer off and when i switched it back on, nothing. everything seems to power up, all the fans go around and such but i get the message about the monitor not detecting a HDMI cable and it going into sleep mode.

i dont get any bleeping codes as my speakers are SUB and they make no sound, not sure if they are even powering up as they dont seem to power up until i hit around the login page
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post #5 of 20
Well ram would have been my first guess as well.

Id say try just using the onboard gfx, gfx cards cause BSOD as well.
After that if you still have the same problem. I can only make wild guesses without seeing the system for myself. Perhaps a possible mobo ROM error? I don't see how that could cause BSOD while in windows. Sorry for sounding like an idiot trying to help when you probably know more about PC's than me, but from your previous post/posts I really didn't get much info.


also i made an edit to my first post just before you posted.

Quote:
Remove any other PCI & PCIe devices. ( I suggest restart your pc here while gfx card is out of the system just to rule it out of the equation)(will at least save you buying a new one if it still fails to boot)

Edited by gcampton - 2/23/11 at 8:00am
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Does that mobo have the little LEDS next to the 24-pin power connector to diagnose at what step bootup has failed? My R3E has them and you tell if your mobo failed at RAM or CPU or something else.
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Well ram would have been my first guess as well.

Id say try just using the onboard gfx, gfx cards cause BSOD as well.
After that if you still have the same problem. I can only make wild guesses without seeing the system for myself.


also i made an edit to my first post just before you posted.
i have tried the onboard graphics card - same result. i did this BOTH when the 470 was still installed and after i removed it, i will try again without the wifi card and see though i think thats unlikely.

I am thinking that it could be possible that either the RAM or Motherboard went and took the other one with it as a possible option but i will check the CPU for burns and such as well but i dont think it would be that as it was at stock and everything at the time
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Does that mobo have the little LEDS next to the 24-pin power connector to diagnose at what step bootup has failed? My R3E has them and you tell if your mobo failed at RAM or CPU or something else.
it has a green light but its not near the power connector or anything, i think that its just to say hey be careful you have power as the only colour it seems to be is green and thats only when it has power
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Unplug the CPU heatsink fan and check if the heatsink gets warm/hot. If its cold/room temp, your Voltage Regulators might be dead
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Unplug the CPU heatsink fan and check if the heatsink gets warm/hot. If its cold/room temp, your Voltage Regulators might be dead
thanks i will give that a try as well.
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