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You clearly did not bother to read my posts. Had you done so you would have seen that I was saying that people download the game to see if it's good or crappy, and not despite it being crappy. If they like the game they will support the developers and buy it, if not, they will delete it within a couple of hours.

Of course devs don't see it that way, and they think that everyone who has pirated their game will no longer buy it.


You can talk from your high horse all you want, but it's still only your own opinion. You are not in a position to tell anyone what's right and wrong.
I can tell that piracy is wrong as much as I want, you know it is, you have no right to steal the hard work of others just to see if it suits your taste. And no, people don't buy the game after they downloaded it even if they liked it, why should they, they have a perfectly working copy for free.

I have a group of three friends that love the Stalker series, they downloaded the three games, played them for hours and finished them and they didn't buy them after that, and won't ever buy them or the sequels. If I ask them why they won't buy even the sequel they answer to me that they don't see why they should spend their money when they only need to spend 5sc on TPB to get it. Most people are exactly like that and you know it.

If someone steals your watch do you think he will later buy it from you if he likes it ?
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If someone steals your watch do you think he will later buy it from you if he likes it ?
You can't use that argument with them.
Pirates or supporters of piracy who claim they 'legit' pirate only say in response that "piracy isn't the stealing of something physical therefore makes it an entirely different thing because the object in question is simply being copied and not taken." Ppppfttt.

It's the same argument, different thread like hundreds if not thousands of times over. I love reading them to see if anyone comes up with something new and ridiculous to support it.
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I can tell that piracy is wrong as much as I want, you know it is, you have no right to steal the hard work of others just to see if it suits your taste. And no, people don't buy the game after they downloaded it even if they liked it, why should they, they have a perfectly working copy for free.

I have a group of three friends that love the Stalker series, they downloaded the three games, played them for hours and finished them and they didn't buy them after that, and won't ever buy them or the sequels. If I ask them why they won't buy even the sequel they answer to me that they don't see why they should spend their money when they only need to spend 5sc on TPB to get it. Most people are exactly like that and you know it.

If someone steals your watch do you think he will later buy it from you if he likes it ?
The watch is an item. Guy has 5, 1 is stolen, it leaves 4. That one cannot be sold anymore. Someone downloads a game to check it out (in the text files packed with these, the crackers themselves tell you to support the developer and buy it if you like it), the inventory is the same. No item is missing that can't be sold anymore. Bad example.
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You can't use that argument with them.
Pirates or supporters of piracy who claim they 'legit' pirate only say in response that "piracy isn't the stealing of something physical therefore makes it an entirely different thing because the object in question is simply being copied and not taken." Ppppfttt.

It's the same argument, different thread like hundreds if not thousands of times over. I love reading them to see if anyone comes up with something new and ridiculous to support it.
LOL You called it right before I posted it
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I can tell that piracy is wrong as much as I want, you know it is, you have no right to steal the hard work of others just to see if it suits your taste. And no, people don't buy the game after they downloaded it even if they liked it, why should they, they have a perfectly working copy for free.

I have a group of three friends that love the Stalker series, they downloaded the three games, played them for hours and finished them and they didn't buy them after that, and won't ever buy them or the sequels. If I ask them why they won't buy even the sequel they answer to me that they don't see why they should spend their money when they only need to spend 5sc on TPB to get it. Most people are exactly like that and you know it.

If someone steals your watch do you think he will later buy it from you if he likes it ?
If piracy is as I described then I don't think it's wrong. If however it is as you did describe it, then I do agree with you.

However, 3 friends are hardly a proper statistical analysis. I've actually have done some research about this at my university for my engineering's law course project (a course we take to know my rights and duties as a future engineer). I have interviewed around 150 people (yes, I know it's not a proper statistical analysis as well ). Around 70% told me what I'm telling you, that they pirate to try. Their reason was that, out of almost every 10 games they try, they barely liked 1-2 max (that's a best case scenario). At $50-$60 a game, that's not something most people would afford.

The other 20% sadly did like your friends. And another 10% pirated only single player games, and bought multiplayer games.
I am in no way saying this actually reflects the market (as I'm an engineer and this is not my area of expertise) , but please don't go dismissing my opinion while portraying yours as fact.

Your watch analogy is fail. Why not think of it as buying a car? You ask your friend (peer) to let you drive his car (game). If you like it you go buy one. Sure, you can go ahead and steal the car, but it's not a likely case.
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I'd like companies to bring a trial service (on Steam or on their official website) where you can try the full game for 5 or 10 hours, and then upgrade to the full version if you liked it, now we could see if that reduces piracy or not. Although I'm quite sure it won't (not a lot anyway) and now people would just invent the excuse that ten hours is not enough they need infinite time just to be sure.
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It's just not going to happen. It never will.

Where there's a will, there's a way.
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I'd like companies to bring a trial service (on Steam or on their official website) where you can try the full game for 5 or 10 hours, and then upgrade to the full version if you liked it, now we could see if that reduces piracy or not. Although I'm quite sure it won't (not a lot anyway) and now people would just invent the excuse that ten hours is not enough they need infinite time just to be sure.

The problem with that is with most games now days 10 hours is more than enough to beat the game with time to spare.

Personally, I'm against piracy period. I don't care if people think they are justified because they are just trying it out and they swear "they'll buy it if they like it". Its still stealing. A product is a product is a product and you are stealing someones hard work.

A friend of mine works at Blizzard and she tells me these horror stories of programmers practically living at the compound (if you've ever been there you know what I'm talking about) while they pull 16-18 hour days just to make sure a game is perfect before release. The end result is games like Starcraft II that score a perfect 10 in Game Informer (the only time thats happened I believe).

So essentially you (not Telimektar but the pirates) are telling companies like Blizzard "hey, I know you guys busted your asses and all but I think I'm going to try this out, get all the enjoyment I can out of it, and then neglect to reward you for YEARS worth of work". Seriously, these guys can't be bothered to trade $60, which took all of 3 hours to earn, in exchange for something that people slaved away over? Thats morally disgusting. Its the only term I can use to describe it. The people who do this are nothing more than vermin that crawled from the sewers and put on a pair of jeans and a tee shirt.

And the argument of it being virtual property, therefore no inventory is lost and thus not really stealing is about as logically backward as me kicking a pirate in his dirty, thieving testicles with my steel-toes and then saying I shouldn't be held accountable for the action because I wanted to hurt the pirate standing next to the one who's junk I just crushed. Both are equally retarded.

*** Sorry for the rant, all the piracy B.S. has been getting under my skin lately and I probably should have had my coffee first.
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Problem is that while for them it is a tough job, for us it is silly entertainment and not taken seriously.
My aunt works in a tv station that has the worst and trashiest content , yet she gets exhausted everyday. While i hate that station, i appreciate the effort of the lower ranking staff.

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http://www.bsa.org/country/News%20an...obalstudy.aspx

O RLY?

We aren't even the tip of the iceburg. And the US 20% is actually found on multiple sources but I'm lazy and you can google. We aren't even close to the top.

[edit] We only have a higher value because our software market is marked up. If we had the piracy rate of other countries it could double or even triple the amount we "lose".
In other countries wages are lower yet new software prices remain the same as in Europe and America.
So how do you expect your product not to be pirated with such a steep price and advertising? Lowering the price is not an option because it will have an effect in the sales worldwide.
It is a vicious circle.

But i am suspicious of rankings and statistics that favour factors found in the country of origin of the research, yet ignoring others. Eg the best universities are in the US or Scandinavia is the best place to live. Not that it isnt valid, it just excludes other important factors of what makes a good education or living or even piracy.
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Problem is that while for them it is a tough job, for us it is silly entertainment and not taken seriously.
My aunt works in a tv station that has the worst and trashiest content , yet she gets exhausted everyday. While i hate that station, i appreciate the effort of the lower ranking staff.
I understand what you're trying to say but hard work is still hard work, whether anyone appreciates the end product or not. I think a huge issue with the majority of these "noble pirates" is they are barely out of their training wheels and the only hard work they put in on a regular basis is moving the family lawn once a week (assuming their parents can even get them to do that). If you've never had to work a real job to pay the bills then you can't appreciate what work is. If you don't like something or don't want to pay the asking price for it then you don't get it. I would love to have a nice sports car and get back into track racing (god I miss willow springs/streets of willow raceway) but I'm not going to go out and steal a new 458 Italia to do it.


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In other countries wages are lower yet new software prices remain the same as in Europe and America.
So how do you expect your product not to be pirated with such a steep price and advertising? Lowering the price is not an option because it will have an effect in the sales worldwide.
It is a vicious circle.
True, it may be more expensive to buy another countries product but when it comes to luxuries like video games, if you don't have the money for it then don't buy it. No one is putting a gun to your head and saying you have to obtain it by any means necessary. You want it so you have to pay for it. The problem here is you have legions of kiddies that want it but don't want to wipe out their allowance to get it so they pirate it.

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But i am suspicious of rankings and statistics that favour factors found in the country of origin of the research, yet ignoring others. Eg the best universities are in the US or Scandinavia is the best place to live. Not that it isnt valid, it just excludes other important factors of what makes a good education or living or even piracy.
Yeah I'm going to have to go with you one that. A statistic that originated in Russia and said that 98% of all Russians can crap lighting on command would be suspect. Admittedly thats a hugely overblown example but you get my meaning.
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