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F3's pown for the money, i got 4 of them in 2 raid0 Arrays
 
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Originally Posted by Scorpii View Post
I don't think the heads travel and look through every bit of data to find a section; if it knows logically where the C:\\ partition is, and knows that all the data of, say, windows is located there, it's not going to search through the whole of the D:\\ partition to boot up windows.

Same goes for programs I locate on C:\\ and games on D:\\.

I'll believe you if you can link me to some research or benchmarks done supporting your claims, but otherwise I don't see how or why you think that utilising the second partition for content of a completely separate type to that on the first impacts the first's performance
It doesn't matter -- using two partitions that will be heavily accessed at the same time (ex: Installing Adobe photoshop on first small, "short-stroked" partition and then installing 500MB files on separate partition on the same drive) is no different than using a single, larger partition. You lose all benefit.

Also, to clarify -- We're talking solely about access times, not read/write speeds. However, read/write speeds are fastest at the outer edge of the disk and always are regardless of what else is on the disk or how many partitions. Access times (what I'm talking about) are dependent on drive size, data on drive, and partitions.
Edited by thecyb0rg - 3/18/11 at 7:09am
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post #23 of 43
What works for me right now (and works really well) is as follows:

C: ADATA S599 64GB SSD (Windows/Apps)
D: 2 x Samsung 500GB F3 RAID-0 (Games)
E: 2 x Samsung 1TB F3 RAID-1 (Data Mirror)
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Here's my results with 2x 1Tb F3's in standard, and then short-stroked to 500Gb;



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A link (here) to an old, but relevant article from Tom's Hardware on short stroking. For consumer based RAID 0 setups, 2 drives are generally used as 4x drives is cost prohibitive and in the age of more affordable SSDs silly. Nevertheless, the reason they go with 4x drives is (1) added sustained read/write speeds spread across four drives as well as (2) to keep up a usable storage space when short stroked -- since true short stroking is one small partition that resides on the outer edge of a hard drives platter(s).
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cyborg you fail to understand short stroking.

when you short stroke, the OS only uses 40GB (or whatever you SS to) of the hard drives. so when the head moves across the platter, the OS is first up in the line, and the head dosent have to travel very far to finish reading the data.
 
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cyborg you fail to understand short stroking.

when you short stroke, the OS only uses 40GB (or whatever you SS to) of the hard drives. so when the head moves across the platter, the OS is first up in the line, and the head dosent have to travel very far to finish reading the data.
But then why add more data or partitions? You'll increase the data that has to be searched if both partitions will be accessed at the same time?
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I think cyborg is trying to say that the OS is not a static item. You don't only access the OS at boot time then it just sits there all loaded up for the rest of your computing experience. In an ideal world maybe, but this is windows we're talking about. It has all kinds of background services, loads all kinds of DLLs and whatever as you're computing, when you call up programs, when you use programs etc. Every time the OS needs to call up a file (like when you're loading a program) the head needs to travel all the way back to the outer edge to access the SS'd portion then back to wherever your other data is, which could be anywhere. This might still have a mild benefit by forcing the OS into the outer portions, but it still loses much of the access time benefit, which is what is important as windows reads tons of tiny little files, not large ones.

This is why to me in general short stroking feels a little lackluster from my time spent using it.

I like Kaos' setup, seems the most logical to me.
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But then why add more data or partitions? You'll increase the data that has to be searched if both partitions will be accessed at the same time?
And how are you going to access both partitions at the same time? I don't know about you, but my computer isn't magical. I can't boot Windows, and play Crysis at the same time. It's one or the other.

Short stroking is used to make BOOTING and access times of your most used applications quickest. You're forcing your most used stuff on the fastest part of the drive, keeping things from getting fragmented and moving to the slower part as time goes on.

There is nothing at all wrong with using the rest of your drive space alongside a short stroke. Just so long as you understand that any data that goes on those other partitions will be slower.
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And how are you going to access both partitions at the same time? I don't know about you, but my computer isn't magical. I can't boot Windows, and play Crysis at the same time. It's one or the other.
Windows writes a lot of log files. Even during normal PC usage, a lot of writing is done to C:.
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