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And how are you going to access both partitions at the same time? I don't know about you, but my computer isn't magical. I can't boot Windows, and play Crysis at the same time. It's one or the other.

Short stroking is used to make BOOTING and access times of your most used applications quickest. You're forcing your most used stuff on the fastest part of the drive, keeping things from getting fragmented and moving to the slower part as time goes on.

There is nothing at all wrong with using the rest of your drive space alongside a short stroke. Just so long as you understand that any data that goes on those other partitions will be slower.

You're missing the point. It doesn't matter if your currently accessed data is on the outer or inner partitions. Access times will increase because the head has to travel the full width of the platter.

And any multi partition can have more than one partition being used at a time. You make it sound like rocket science but its not. Widows reads numerous files while idle because there's always background processes going on. Open apps while also opening files for said apps? Depending on where they're stored, you'll easily use both partitions.
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So what you guys are saying, is too short stroke the 2TB to ~40GB as your OS and programs for faster speeds (adobe etc.), and then partition the rest of your drive as ~1960GB? I'm sorry, can somebody just explain how you go about partitioning it, whether you do it first into like 1TB partitions to start with and short stroke one to 40gb, and have the other as the 1TB?
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So what you guys are saying, is too short stroke the 2TB to ~40GB as your OS and programs for faster speeds (adobe etc.), and then partition the rest of your drive as ~1960GB? I'm sorry, can somebody just explain how you go about partitioning it, whether you do it first into like 1TB partitions to start with and short stroke one to 40gb, and have the other as the 1TB?
I wouldn't really stripe a 2TB drive. That's a lot of stuff to lose should something go wrong. And ideally, a short stroked drive is just the OS partition and nothing else. That's an awful lot of space to waste.
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I wouldn't really stripe a 2TB drive. That's a lot of stuff to lose should something go wrong. And ideally, a short stroked drive is just the OS partition and nothing else. That's an awful lot of space to waste.
Doesn't have to just be the OS, yes the smaller the stroke the better, but a larger drive yields a larger space at the same percent of disk. Say you SS a 2TB array down to 10%, you're still writing to the outer 10% of the platter(s) reducing head movement, and you have 200GB of usable space. That's fairly reasonable all things considered, can put an OS, apps and plenty of games on the partition, get good speeds and not pay huge amounts of money. Win-win, even though you're throwing away 1.8TB of space
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This turned out to be some very interesting disscusion.

So in my case (just one spinpoint f3 drive), the optimal would be:
1. If im installing an OS make 2 partitions. Making the OS one (Win7 in this case) very small. Say maybe 36GB.
2.If not installing an OS, just leave 1 partition. Since is not wothed to short stroke if using more than 10% of the drive space.

Another thing that's in my head. Having 2 drives, a WD EcoGreen (slow) and the Spinpoint f3. What is faster for a game, having your OS in the EcoGreen and the installation in the Spinpoint? or Having both OS and game installation in the faster drive?
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This turned out to be some very interesting disscusion.

So in my case (just one spinpoint f3 drive), the optimal would be:
1. If im installing an OS make 2 partitions. Making the OS one (Win7 in this case) very small. Say maybe 36GB.
2.If not installing an OS, just leave 1 partition. Since is not wothed to short stroke if using more than 10% of the drive space.

Another thing that's in my head. Having 2 drives, a WD EcoGreen (slow) and the Spinpoint f3. What is faster for a game, having your OS in the EcoGreen and the installation in the Spinpoint? or Having both OS and game installation in the faster drive?
both os and game in faster drive
 
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Doesn't have to just be the OS, yes the smaller the stroke the better, but a larger drive yields a larger space at the same percent of disk. Say you SS a 2TB array down to 10%, you're still writing to the outer 10% of the platter(s) reducing head movement, and you have 200GB of usable space. That's fairly reasonable all things considered, can put an OS, apps and plenty of games on the partition, get good speeds and not pay huge amounts of money. Win-win, even though you're throwing away 1.8TB of space
Yup, this. Lapse of logic for a minute.

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This turned out to be some very interesting disscusion.

So in my case (just one spinpoint f3 drive), the optimal would be:
1. If im installing an OS make 2 partitions. Making the OS one (Win7 in this case) very small. Say maybe 36GB.
2.If not installing an OS, just leave 1 partition. Since is not wothed to short stroke if using more than 10% of the drive space.

Another thing that's in my head. Having 2 drives, a WD EcoGreen (slow) and the Spinpoint f3. What is faster for a game, having your OS in the EcoGreen and the installation in the Spinpoint? or Having both OS and game installation in the faster drive?
It's not necessarily a set GB amount you want to aim for. It's based off of total drive storage. For the best short stroke, you ultimately want ~10-20% of the drive partitioned for OS (and games and apps if there is room) and the rest blank.

As for your question about the Eco Green and Spinpoint -- I'd put as much on the Spinpoint as possible where speed is of any concern. The Eco green is a green drive which means slow rotational speed, slow access time, and just about slow all around.
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So in an ideal world where SSD's are not around, you would have one separate 500gb HDD for your OS and some games/programs SS to ~50gb, and then you would have a completely different HDD for everything else. Would this get you the fastest speeds?
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So in an ideal world where SSD's are not around, you would have one separate 500gb HDD for your OS and some games/programs SS to ~50gb, and then you would have a completely different HDD for everything else. Would this get you the fastest speeds?
Yeah. 500GB HDDs are cheap these days (relatively speaking). Some of the cost is negated if you already have one sitting around. If you're looking at having to purchase two brand new drives, you may want to consider a small SSD as it will over better speeds and access times than a SS'd RAID 0 array.

Most of the stuff you do during normal computer usage consists of a few programs and background processes. Put those on the SS'd partition and put other things such as large programs, photos, videos, and music on a different drive where access times aren't as important.
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I'm new to this forum, so first of all I will say "Hi to all"

I was reading through this discussing and wanted to put over my understanding of short stroking and maybe ask a couple questions. Believe it or not, i've never bothered raiding at all before and only started a matter of hours ago

The way I see it (which may not be right) is that there is ONLY no point short stoking IF you make two partitions, use the first one for OS, then use the second partition (if you decide to make one at all) for games/apps/programs ect, this is no good because while running your game or app ect the hard drive header is going backwards and forwards reading files ect from the game/app which will be on the inner of the disk while windows is still running background operations on the outta of the disk. If for instance you have 2x500gb F3 Spinpoint like i do. If you make a 100gb, 120gb, 150gb RAID0 Partition (no more than 200gb with 1TB). And then on that particual partition install the OS, apps, games, programs, that way keeping ALL data realitively close to the outta edge of the disk and retaining decent access times. Then with the remaining unallocated space, create a storage partition either as raid 0 or 1 (not sure what would be best here? Maybe Raid 1 for safety), and use it purely as storage i.e large movie files, downloads, pictures maybe (no applications/programs), ect ect.

Well this is what I think, would be glad to hear what people think?



P.S Also with going off topic too much I would like to ask a quick question. With Raid setup, after installing windows 7 64bit, when I come to installing drivers for the motherboard ect. I have two raid driver choices, they are "ATi AHCI/RAID Driver" and "Gigabyte SATA and RAID Driver" which one do i need? or do i need them both? My motherboard is a Gigabyte GA-890GPA-UD3H (Rev 2.1).


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