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Wow, I've never heard of fusion technology, or any of this. Is there a good resource to go check out to learn more, or should I just go visit AMD's website?

I plan to wait til the p67 mobos are back on market and fixed. I'm starting to play with the idea of a 128Gb OS and programs SSD, a 30ish Gb scratch SSD and then 2 or 3 1Tb storage drives. This way, I avoid flooding a single sata port. Does this sound like utter overkill, or will it help?

If I go with AMD, it opens the whole "wait for Bulldozer" can of worms. Or is a 1090T/1100T a reasonable option?
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Wow, I've never heard of fusion technology, or any of this. Is there a good resource to go check out to learn more, or should I just go visit AMD's website?

I plan to wait til the p67 mobos are back on market and fixed. I'm starting to play with the idea of a 128Gb OS and programs SSD, a 30ish Gb scratch SSD and then 2 or 3 1Tb storage drives. This way, I avoid flooding a single sata port. Does this sound like utter overkill, or will it help?

If I go with AMD, it opens the whole "wait for Bulldozer" can of worms. Or is a 1090T/1100T a reasonable option?
I would go AMD for sure. a 1090t is the best option right now since a 1100t is just a 100mhz overclock. the 6000 series cannot do fusion but CAN do parallel processing which is pretty much the same thing but without an APU. all AMD CPU's in the phenom II series and up are fusion ready so you don't need to worry about that.
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I would recommend a 2600K or 2500K + GTX 470 ( Not a 560TI )

Is Photoshop the only software from CS5 you'll be using? If so, the 2500K is plenty, and it's only $30 more than a 1090T, which is a WAY better option. Just ask anyone who has switched over from a 1090T to SB.

GTX 470
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-513-_-Product

If you want the latest & Greatest, you can go with a 570, but it's really not necessary if all you're doing is Photoshop work, but if you will game on it as well:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-564-_-Product

AMD cards are not optimal for CS5, like their Nvdia counterparts are:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...-bit,2770.html

No AMD processor can keep up with a SB K processors at the moment, look it up:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/287?vs=203

I chose a 930 over a 1090T when I built my computer for CS5, SB wasn't out back then, now, it's really a no brainer.

SB has much higher OC headroom that will make Photoshop snappy.

Definitely get an SSD for the OS, and install Photoshop on there as well.

For the Hard Drive, you can get this 2 TB F4:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-245-_-Product

Or a couple of these F3's:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-185-_-Product

Now, why a 470 vs a 560TI? What you will read below also applies to the 560TI.

"For GF104, NVIDIA removed FP64 from only 2 of the 3 blocks of CUDA cores. As a result 1 block of 16 CUDA cores is FP64 capable, while the other 2 are not. This gives NVIDIA the advantage of being able to employ smaller CUDA cores for 32 of the 48 CUDA cores in each SM while not removing FP64 entirely. Because only 1 block of CUDA cores has FP64 capabilities and in turn executes FP64 instructions at 1/4 FP32 performance (handicapped from a native 1/2), GF104 will not be a FP64 monster."

In other words double precision performance took a rather severe hit with gf104, in comparison to gf100. Nvidia also switched to a superscalar execution process with gf104, which is a method of extracting instruction level parallelism (ILP) from a thread, as opposed to thread level parallelism (TLP) implemented in gf100. Again, this tends to benefit gaming efficiency/performance more so then compute performance. You can read more about these architectural tweaks in the linked article below:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3809/n...the-200-king/3
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I would recommend a 2600K or 2500K + GTX 470 ( Not a 560TI )

Is Photoshop the only software from CS5 you'll be using? If so, the 2500K is plenty, and it's only $30 more than a 1090T, which is a WAY better option. Just ask anyone who has switched over from a 1090T to SB.

GTX 470
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-513-_-Product

If you want the latest & Greatest, you can go with a 570, but it's really not necessary if all you're doing is Photoshop work, but if you will game on it as well:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-564-_-Product

AMD cards are not optimal for CS5, like their Nvdia counterparts are:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...-bit,2770.html

No AMD processor can keep up with a SB K processors at the moment, look it up:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/287?vs=203

I chose a 930 over a 1090T when I built my computer for CS5, SB wasn't out back then, now, it's really a no brainer.

SB has much higher OC headroom that will make Photoshop snappy.

Definitely get an SSD for the OS, and install Photoshop on there as well.

For the Hard Drive, you can get this 2 TB F4:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-245-_-Product

Or a couple of these F3's:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-185-_-Product

Now, why a 470 vs a 560TI? What you will read below also applies to the 560TI.

"For GF104, NVIDIA removed FP64 from only 2 of the 3 blocks of CUDA cores. As a result 1 block of 16 CUDA cores is FP64 capable, while the other 2 are not. This gives NVIDIA the advantage of being able to employ smaller CUDA cores for 32 of the 48 CUDA cores in each SM while not removing FP64 entirely. Because only 1 block of CUDA cores has FP64 capabilities and in turn executes FP64 instructions at 1/4 FP32 performance (handicapped from a native 1/2), GF104 will not be a FP64 monster."

In other words double precision performance took a rather severe hit with gf104, in comparison to gf100. Nvidia also switched to a superscalar execution process with gf104, which is a method of extracting instruction level parallelism (ILP) from a thread, as opposed to thread level parallelism (TLP) implemented in gf100. Again, this tends to benefit gaming efficiency/performance more so then compute performance. You can read more about these architectural tweaks in the linked article below:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3809/n...the-200-king/3
^ Nvidia fan boy lol. seriously get an AMD GPU and possibly an AMD CPU but I would only get an intel over am AMD X6 if it was another hexacore.
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post #15 of 92
First, what will they be photoshopping? Photoshop does not benefit from hyperthreading (looks like it's only quad core optimized so far), so I'd keep that in mind.

With the RAM, it'd depend on what they're photoshopping in the first place.
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^ Nvidia fan boy lol. seriously get an AMD GPU and possibly an AMD CPU but I would only get an intel over am AMD X6 if it was another hexacore.
Fanboy?

I have provided solid info on why Intel + Nvidia is a BETTER choice.

Let's see a 1090T @ 4.4 needs serious water cooling, while SB 2500K can do that on AIR.

Let's look at a 2500K vs a 1090T clock for clock, not to mention the HIGHER OC potential that a 2500K provides:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/288?vs=146

For a $30 difference, the choice is clear, GET OVER IT.

The OP also said there's a $3000 max budget, I could easily build an SB rig for well under $1500, and they won't regret it. Perhaps you should read the info in the post, before glancing at it and calling me a fanboy.

My computer was built for CS5 specifically, I've done thorough research on the topic, I don't recommend this based on my likes or brand preference, but rather, based on what's best for the OP, and in this case neither an AMD processor or Graphics card are ideal.

Seriously, take your fanboism somewhere else, and don't turn this into a flame thread.
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post #17 of 92
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Any reason for 470 over 480 other than price? Would a 580 perform better?

I thought SB was miles ahead of everything but the 980x, which it basically ties except in encoding. My understanding was that photoshop favors speed over cores, provided it has more than 2 cores. This is what got me thinking SB was a good choice for my parents. I will not be overclocking it to insane speeds! I will set it to 4Ghz, and that will be it. I don't want my parents to have ANY issues with this computer until at least 2016.

My parents will ONLY be doing image manipulation, no encoding or video editing. I bought them Photoshop CS5 extended student edition. The biggest thing my dad has done, that I have seen, is 360 panorama shots.

I am looking into Fusion tech right now, but I'm not seeing much in the way of confirmed support in Photoshop, whereas NVIDIA is heavily pushing CUDA and OpenGL support in Photoshop. I watched a few videos on youtube of OpenGl enabled and disabled; it's pretty impressive.
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My parents will ONLY be doing image manipulation, no encoding or video editing. I bought them Photoshop CS5 extended student edition.
Well, like I asked before, what sort of images are they manipulating? Is it digital graphics or photography? If photography, RAW or JPEG? Can you get me a camera model so I have an idea?
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Well, like I asked before, what sort of images are they manipulating? Is it digital graphics or photography? If photography, RAW or JPEG? Can you get me a camera model so I have an idea?

Sorry, I ninja'd you there.

He uses a Nikon D90 I believe, and takes outdoor photos (mountain shots). He likes to work with uncompressed images, but their current computer chokes a bit.
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My parents will ONLY be doing image manipulation, no encoding or video editing. I bought them Photoshop CS5 extended student edition. The biggest thing my dad has done, that I have seen, is 360 panorama shots.
If they are only working with photos, and don't have hundreds open, or work with 500mb raw files, 8gb of RAM will be overkill. What would dictate more RAM would be heavy use of layers and filters, extremely large files, and having many many files open concurrently. Also, CS5 has a limited subset of features that benefit from GPU acceleration. Correct me if I'm wrong, but last time I checked the GPU accelerated features for Photoshop involved smooth scrolling, drawing the HUD and RAW processing.

Not exactly worth a couple hundred bucks for most people.

In most cases, your processor, RAM and monitor are better investments than a GPU for Photoshop acceleration.
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