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Poll Results: Which Setup for CS5?

 
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post #31 of 92
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If your dad shoots in RAW, I'd go with 16GB of RAM then

On sale, 2TBs usually go for $10 or so more than 1TBs. Worth looking into!
Very true, you can pick up great 16 GB RAM for $200, just grab 2 of these kits:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-428-_-Product

The timings CAN be set to 7-7-7-24 as well.

Plus, this is a beastly 2TB drive:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-245-_-Product
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You can do 4.5 on AIR quite easily with the 2500K. 4.5 has become the new 4.0 on AIR, while the 1090T would need SERIOUS Water cooling to reach 4.4 and be stable. Plus we already established that clock for clock the 2500K has the edge over a 1090T.

I wouldn't recommend a 570 or 480 as the 470 is PLENTY for your Photoshop needs, plus it's only $269 After Rebate.

The 470 I recommend has 448 CUDA cores vs 480, plus that card has a great cooler in place, and is very quiet. Make sure to read this article fully:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...-bit,2770.html

Notice there's not even a mention of AMD cards in there? There's a reason for that.

The 470 will give you a smoother overall experience in Photoshop, and since they upgrade every few years, this will suit their needs for a while.

I use Photoshop and Premiere on a daily basis, and when I put my computer together I originally wanted a 1090T + 5870, and that would've been a HUGE mistake for CS5.

Today, going with a 2500K over a 1090T is a no brainer, considering we are talking about a $30 difference, and be sure to get at least 8GB RAM. ( 2 X 4GB )

I won't continue this debate, or have this possibly turn into a flame thread, do your research, I've provided you with plenty of links, and if you have any questions, feel free to ask.
can you please stop giving false statements. most of what you are saying is correct but the whole thing with a 1090t needing SERIOUS water cooling is wrong. the 1090T has the same stock TDP as mine and surprisingly consumes the same amount of power per clock. 4 ghz is no problem on air and I have never seen one get to 4.4.
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post #33 of 92
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Okay... why are you guys recommending 570s for a photoshop machine? Yes CS5 does take advantage of CUDA, but not the way you think. What it does is it makes the experience of photoshop better. Look at the link below.

http://www.nvidia.com/object/adobe_photoshop.html

Correct me if I am wrong here, but as far as I know the CUDA processors doesn't really process anything... It's all CPU power.
I'm assuming you are talking about CS5 and CUDA acceleration? Yes most of CS5 is run on the CPU because of limitations of the need to run most software serially. However the parts of video and photo editing that can be massively parallelized (applying filters, rendering video) can take advantage of CUDA, which runs amazingly well.

AMD only supports OpenCL (open computing language) through ATIStream, whereas new Nvidia GPUs support OpenCL and their own CUDA (compute unified device architecture).

Speaking from experience working with CUDA in high performance computing applications, I see CUDA continuing to be the leading HPC GPU implementation.

also check out CUDA on wikipedia CUDA
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post #34 of 92
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it would work faster with an AMD 6 core, AMD CPU's are generally better at photoshop etc, get a good amount of ram although more than 8GB is not needed, as far as I know CS5 does not benefit from CUDA, but CAN benefit from having an AMD/ATI 6000 series card for parallel processing. also an SSD will do you a lot of good
No, jy, Intel is always the chip-of-choice for Software Dev. CPU. AMD have poor architecture for that kinda stuff, good for gaming and budgets, but this has no budget.

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yeah...... but thats not quite the same, AMD systems use fusion technology and direct connections to split the work on a hardware level, nvidia drivers cannot compete with that.
Proof please, as ATI cards don't tessalate as much as nVidia.

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I would recommend a 2600K or 2500K + GTX 470 ( Not a 560TI )

Is Photoshop the only software from CS5 you'll be using? If so, the 2500K is plenty, and it's only $30 more than a 1090T, which is a WAY better option. Just ask anyone who has switched over from a 1090T to SB.

GTX 470
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-513-_-Product

If you want the latest & Greatest, you can go with a 570, but it's really not necessary if all you're doing is Photoshop work, but if you will game on it as well:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-564-_-Product

AMD cards are not optimal for CS5, like their Nvdia counterparts are:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...-bit,2770.html

No AMD processor can keep up with a SB K processors at the moment, look it up:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/287?vs=203

I chose a 930 over a 1090T when I built my computer for CS5, SB wasn't out back then, now, it's really a no brainer.

SB has much higher OC headroom that will make Photoshop snappy.

Definitely get an SSD for the OS, and install Photoshop on there as well.

For the Hard Drive, you can get this 2 TB F4:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-245-_-Product

Or a couple of these F3's:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-185-_-Product

Now, why a 470 vs a 560TI? What you will read below also applies to the 560TI.

"For GF104, NVIDIA removed FP64 from only 2 of the 3 blocks of CUDA cores. As a result 1 block of 16 CUDA cores is FP64 capable, while the other 2 are not. This gives NVIDIA the advantage of being able to employ smaller CUDA cores for 32 of the 48 CUDA cores in each SM while not removing FP64 entirely. Because only 1 block of CUDA cores has FP64 capabilities and in turn executes FP64 instructions at 1/4 FP32 performance (handicapped from a native 1/2), GF104 will not be a FP64 monster."

In other words double precision performance took a rather severe hit with gf104, in comparison to gf100. Nvidia also switched to a superscalar execution process with gf104, which is a method of extracting instruction level parallelism (ILP) from a thread, as opposed to thread level parallelism (TLP) implemented in gf100. Again, this tends to benefit gaming efficiency/performance more so then compute performance. You can read more about these architectural tweaks in the linked article below:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3809/n...the-200-king/3
Good solid evidence, although, his parents may rather benefit from 1366. They could get an i7 quad as CS5 is quad optimized, and then when it becomes hex-optimized, they can swap over chips to a 970 (after saving money aside ovc.) and continue with optimization.

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Originally Posted by r31ncarnat3d View Post
First, what will they be photoshopping? Photoshop does not benefit from hyperthreading (looks like it's only quad core optimized so far), so I'd keep that in mind.

With the RAM, it'd depend on what they're photoshopping in the first place.
Finally, some sense.

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If they are only working with photos, and don't have hundreds open, or work with 500mb raw files, 8gb of RAM will be overkill. What would dictate more RAM would be heavy use of layers and filters, extremely large files, and having many many files open concurrently. Also, CS5 has a limited subset of features that benefit from GPU acceleration. Correct me if I'm wrong, but last time I checked the GPU accelerated features for Photoshop involved smooth scrolling, drawing the HUD and RAW processing.

Not exactly worth a couple hundred bucks for most people.

In most cases, your processor, RAM and monitor are better investments than a GPU for Photoshop acceleration.
Not necessarily, as a GPU may have to contend with resolutions, and also also, if your doing a very media heavy subject, and have other threads open, then you don't want your CPU being munched on by CS5.

Let's face it, they aren't going to OC this pc, so lets not look at overclocking as an option.
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Right now my parents have given me the go-ahead to do as much as I want. They replace their computer every 5-7 years or so, and go for the best they can get when they upgrade.

I would say 3000 is probably where they will draw the line. So something like 128Gb C300 is definitely in the budget. I plan on putting a few 1Tb HDD in there for photo storage as well.

They would like it to be small, so I am going to try and build as small a m-ATX system as I can. I thought about m-ITX, but only 2 dimm slots shot that idea down.
Wow, what are they doing with the old one? I'm getting started doing the same thing for he in-laws because they're still on a pentium 3, but they might not be up for upgrading to a brand new system. I'm just trying to talk them into at least a newer one.
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Fanboy?

I have provided solid info on why Intel + Nvidia is a BETTER choice.

Let's see a 1090T @ 4.4 needs serious water cooling, while SB 2500K can do that on AIR.

Let's look at a 2500K vs a 1090T clock for clock, not to mention the HIGHER OC potential that a 2500K provides:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/288?vs=146

For a $30 difference, the choice is clear, GET OVER IT.

The OP also said there's a $3000 max budget, I could easily build an SB rig for well under $1500, and they won't regret it. Perhaps you should read the info in the post, before glancing at it and calling me a fanboy.

My computer was built for CS5 specifically, I've done thorough research on the topic, I don't recommend this based on my likes or brand preference, but rather, based on what's best for the OP, and in this case neither an AMD processor or Graphics card are ideal.

Seriously, take your fanboism somewhere else, and don't turn this into a flame thread.
Nah. With a little work and some better airflow I could have my 1090T running at 4.4 or at least CLOSE to 4.4.
    
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can you please stop giving false statements. most of what you are saying is correct but the whole thing with a 1090t needing SERIOUS water cooling is wrong. the 1090T has the same stock TDP as mine and surprisingly consumes the same amount of power per clock. 4 ghz is no problem on air and I have never seen one get to 4.4.
What am I saying that's false? Can a 1090T do 4.4 on air?

For the 1090T to reach 4.4 it would need water cooling, would it not? If it can do 4.4 on AIR, I'd like to see proof of such a claim.

A 2500K can do 4.5 - 5.0 on air, what would it take for a 1090T to reach 5.0 GHZ? Don't make me dig up posts to show what users have to go through just to reach 5.0, let alone be stable on the 1090T.

Plus, we've already established that the 2500K is faster clock for clock, please read bro.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/288?vs=146

Also, try to focus on the OP's needs / wants, instead of your brand preference. His parents are coming from an AMD system, and want Intel this time around, though he posted this after we had made our recommendations.

I'm not knocking the 1090T, as this is what I originally wanted, but really, for a $30 difference, the 2500K is a MUCH better choice as they OC higher on air, and it's faster clock for clock, those are just 2 simple reasons.
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Not necessarily, as a GPU may have to contend with resolutions, and also also, if your doing a very media heavy subject, and have other threads open, then you don't want your CPU being munched on by CS5.
The CPU destroying processes in Photoshop CS5 are not offloaded to GPU processing, unless I misunderstand.
    
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If it's for serious business you should consider an ATI firepro or Nvidia Quadro workstation card not a gaming video card.

They have an high price but they are much more powerful when it comes to work with softwares.although it's more for 3D modeling etc for gaming,movies and such.
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If it's for serious business you should consider an ATI firepro or Nvidia Quadro workstation card not a gaming video card.

They have an high price but they are much more powerful when it comes to work with softwares.
sorry, but that's completely un-necessary.

I work with Premiere on a daily basis, and even I didn't choose a Quadro. You can optimize performance with the 470 by reading the article I linked to earlier.

Quadro's are a rip off tbh, ESPECIALLY for Photoshop.

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Let's face it, they aren't going to OC this pc, so lets not look at overclocking as an option.
I agree with everything else you said, but OP mentioned he'll be overclocking to 4.0 at least.

4.5 on a 2500K is very easy to reach with safe voltages, and can have that running 24/7 .

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I'm assuming you are talking about CS5 and CUDA acceleration? Yes most of CS5 is run on the CPU because of limitations of the need to run most software serially. However the parts of video and photo editing that can be massively parallelized (applying filters, rendering video) can take advantage of CUDA, which runs amazingly well.

AMD only supports OpenCL (open computing language) through ATIStream, whereas new Nvidia GPUs support OpenCL and their own CUDA (compute unified device architecture).

Speaking from experience working with CUDA in high performance computing applications, I see CUDA continuing to be the leading HPC GPU implementation.

also check out CUDA on wikipedia CUDA
+1 to you sir. Plus, Nvidia also supports OpenGL.

Here's another interesting read for ya, specifically as to why Adobe chose CUDA exclusively for Adobe Premiere:
http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news...uda-only!.aspx

I know it's OT, but gives you an idea of how great CUDA is, and why it was chosen to build Premiere around it. We aren't talking about gaming here, in CS5 Nvidia has a major edge with its CUDA architecture.
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1 80GB SSD x25m - 3TB F3 + F4 NH-D14 Windows 7 Ultimate LG 47LH55 
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Natural Wireless Keyboard Corsair 750HX CM 690 II Advanced MX 518 
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Snapdragon S4 Dual core 1500mhz Adreno 225 Samsung 2GB 16GB Onboard Flash 
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Android 4.4.2 - CM11 4.8" AMOLED 1280x720 2100 mAh battery Otterbox Defender 
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