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I agree with the power supply diagnosis, but the only way to check the CPU, Motherboard, GPU and hard drives are fine is to test them with the new unit, or in a friend's machine.
You will almost certainly have to reinstall windows tho, as so many crashes will have corrupted vital system files.
If any physical part is gone, it will 90% be the motherboard, that usually takes the hit from bad power, but in dying it saves your CPU and memory, and often the GPU.
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Have you even tried a clean format / even a low level format with a fresh install of windows to make sure its not data corruption?

This could still be a software problem. Just be safe and rule it out.
I couldn't even complete a simple chkdisk, reisntall is out of the question..

Anyway, the Everest 85Plus 600 is here and is Gorgeous! Plugging in now..
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Have you even tried a clean format / even a low level format with a fresh install of windows to make sure its not data corruption?

This could still be a software problem. Just be safe and rule it out.
You NEVER want to low level format an SCSI, IDE, or SATA hard drive. That was only for MFM and RLL hard drives. If you Low Level Format a SCSI, IDE, or SATA drive you will ruin it due to the way a low level format works.
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You NEVER want to low level format an SCSI, IDE, or SATA hard drive. That was only for MFM and RLL hard drives. If you Low Level Format a SCSI, IDE, or SATA drive you will ruin it due to the way a low level format works.
Thats actually true, I forgot to mention it after the initial post.
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Your best of trying the HDD at a friends or waiting to test it. It could just be some data is corrupt on the HDD or it might be dead, there is really no way of knowing.
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You NEVER want to low level format an SCSI, IDE, or SATA hard drive. That was only for MFM and RLL hard drives. If you Low Level Format a SCSI, IDE, or SATA drive you will ruin it due to the way a low level format works.
I didn't know that.. is Low Level Format the option the Windows XP install has of normal format that takes like 3 hours as opposed to the quick format, that only thake 2 minutes ?

Why exactly is it not good for the HDD ? Doesn't it allow for the HDD to check those so-so sectors that are about to fail more throughly and mark them as bad before you can actually use them and risk losing some information ?

EDIT: I googled up my own question: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_fo...f_floppy_disks

Short answer: Low Level Format in modern HDD's is almost impossible to the final user; normally only at the factory is it possible. The "Low Level Format" term usually used today refers to Disk reinitialization, and does not damage the disk.


BTW, to the OP, all of your symptoms could all indicate a faulty motherboard too. Have you taken a look at it ?
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Have you even tried a clean format / even a low level format with a fresh install of windows to make sure its not data corruption?

This could still be a software problem. Just be safe and rule it out.
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I didn't know that.. is Low Level Format the option the Windows XP install has of normal format that takes like 3 hours as opposed to the quick format, that only thake 2 minutes ?

Why exactly is it not good for the HDD ? Doesn't it allow for the HDD to check those so-so sectors that are about to fail more throughly and mark them as bad before you can actually use them and risk losing some information ?

EDIT: I googled up my own question: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_fo...f_floppy_disks

Short answer: Low Level Format in modern HDD's is almost impossible to the final user; normally only at the factory is it possible. The "Low Level Format" term usually used today refers to Disk reinitialization, and does not damage the disk.


BTW, to the OP, all of your symptoms could all indicate a faulty motherboard too. Have you taken a look at it ?
No. There aren't any current apps that allow you to Low Level a hard drive these days. No version of DOS, Windows, or any other operating system has had the ability to low level format a drive since the 1980's. See http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/geom/formatLow-c.html for more information on this. Anyone who uses the term Low Level Format to refer to doing a Zero Fill or Reinitialzation of a hard disk shows they have absolutely no knowledge of hard drive technology and nothing they say about hard drives should ever be trusted. Even the Wikipedia entry is partly incorrect, but that isn't surprising considering how much false and misleading information is on Wikipedia.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PapaSmurf View Post
No. There aren't any current apps that allow you to Low Level a hard drive these days. No version of DOS, Windows, or any other operating system has had the ability to low level format a drive since the 1980's. See http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/geom/formatLow-c.html for more information on this. Anyone who uses the term Low Level Format to refer to doing a Zero Fill or Reinitialzation of a hard disk shows they have absolutely no knowledge of hard drive technology and nothing they say about hard drives should ever be trusted. Even the Wikipedia entry is partly incorrect, but that isn't surprising considering how much false and misleading information is on Wikipedia.
You initial statement does not make much sense then.

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You NEVER want to low level format an SCSI, IDE, or SATA hard drive. That was only for MFM and RLL hard drives. If you Low Level Format a SCSI, IDE, or SATA drive you will ruin it due to the way a low level format works.
If you can't, you can't (at least in the home user context - versus factory context) hehehe
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If you notice I stated CURRANT Operating System. I've run into people who used third party apps to attempt an actual LLF on an IDE drive and completely ruined them. That's one of the reasons why I don't mention what they are or how to get them. They do more harm than good.
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If you notice I stated CURRANT Operating System. I've run into people who used third party apps to attempt an actual LLF on an IDE drive and completely ruined them. That's one of the reasons why I don't mention what they are or how to get them. They do more harm than good.
Small correction: Current Operating System ? No, you mentioned "Current apps". As you said, no version of DOS, Windows, or any other operating system has had the ability to low level format a drive since the 1980's."

Anyway, you stated there were a few third party apps... but according to the link you posted to pcguide "There's no way for the PC to do an LLF on a modern IDE/ATA or SCSI hard disk, and there's no reason to try to do so.", so this article is not much better than Wikipedia with all it's flaws.

They admit it's eventually possible some BIOS'es have that option, but the controller on modern HDD's are made to ignore those commands anyway, so where do we stand ? This article is not very accurate either.

"Do not try to use BIOS-based low-level formatting tools on these newer drives. It's unlikely that you will damage anything if you try to do this (since the drive controller is programmed to ignore any such LLF attempts), but at best you will be wasting your time."
 
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