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Doing a full format instead of a quick format does NOT significantly shorten it's lifespan of a hard disk drive unless one does it once a day every day. The average user would only perform such an action 2 or 3 times a year at most and that would have no noticeable impact on the lifespan of a hard drive. At most you might shorten it's life by .0001% (or the difference between five full years and 4 years, 364 days, 23 hours, and 59 minutes, if that much. To be completely honest, one should NEVER perform a quick format of the drive as it does NOT mark any bad sectors, one of the main reasons for performing a format in the first place. Doing a quick format is a waste of time.
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The platters spin at the same rate any time the hard drive is energized so it places no additional stress on the motor. It does place a small additional stress on the actuator motor and the heads, but nothing substantial enough to cause any long term degradation unless the drive is kept in an improperly ventilated area and allowed to overheat. But in that case normal usage would wear it out just as quickly.

Erasing isn't the main purpose. At best it's a secondary result. You format a hard drive to prepare the platter surface to accept the data without errors. If you don't perform a full format to re-map any sector errors you haven't properly prepared the surface. Even brand new drives need to have this done as damage can and does happen during shipping.

You really need to brush up on your hard drive and format technical information.


Completely agree! I would even say a full format will only shorten the lifespan in a few hours, in the exact same time it takes for it to complete LOL You only need to perform a full format a couple of times in a year, at most. I may do it once every year or every two years. If you haven't done anything strange to it, there is no reason to do it more often.

If you are just trying new OS's (changing between different flavours of Linux and Windows, etc), in a short period of time, there is not reason to do one either. A quick format is enough.

I do at least a full format on new hardrives when I buy them new to make sure they have the necessary reliability to store all my data. That gets me a first level of confidence in the HDD. And even then I keep the cloned HDD nearby, unchanged, for a few weeks, so I can build up confidence in the new HDD.

And I always go to a physical store to buy or get them; it's one step less in the risk chain. Normal mail sometimes handle packages in a horrible way, in no way suitable to a mechanical HDD; that is probably why so many people who buy HDD's from Newegg have problems and all HDD's over there seem like horrible, unreliable things.

I've never had a faulty HDD since 1991. Still have a fully functional, zero bad sectors Conner 420MB from 1994/95, with Windows 95 installed. And two Maxtors (onefrom 1998, the other from 2002, that people like to say are unreliable. And a Quantum Fireball (2001), and etc. All are working.

If you take good care of an HDD it will last for years. It's not uncommon for an HDD to last more than 5 years, 10 years if properly treated; even more. I'm writing this post on my legacy P4 Northwood system with a Seagate 120GB Sata I bought in early 2006. Perfect; zero bad sectors.
 
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I did see signs, lots of them, all at the same time BSODs, HDD loads, programs shutting down and GPU artifacts. Practically everything from the list

I'm getting an Everest 80Plus 600 today, so we'll see
I was more referring to loud pops and sparks flying out of the PSU, hehe.
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Completely agree! I would even say a full format will only shorten the lifespan in a few hours, in the exact same time it takes for it to complete LOL You only need to perform a full format a couple of times in a year, at most. I may do it once every year or every two years. If you haven't done anything strange to it, there is no reason to do it more often.

If you are just trying new OS's (changing between different flavours of Linux and Windows, etc), in a short period of time, there is not reason to do one either. A quick format is enough.

I do at least a full format on new hardrives when I buy them new to make sure they have the necessary reliability to store all my data. That gets me a first level of confidence in the HDD. And even then I keep the cloned HDD nearby, unchanged, for a few weeks, so I can build up confidence in the new HDD.

And I always go to a physical store to buy or get them; it's one step less in the risk chain. Normal mail sometimes handle packages in a horrible way, in no way suitable to a mechanical HDD; that is probably why so many people who buy HDD's from Newegg have problems and all HDD's over there seem like horrible, unreliable things.

I've never had a faulty HDD since 1991. Still have a fully functional, zero bad sectors Conner 420MB from 1994/95, with Windows 95 installed. And two Maxtors (onefrom 1998, the other from 2002, that people like to say are unreliable. And a Quantum Fireball (2001), and etc. All are working.

If you take good care of an HDD it will last for years. It's not uncommon for an HDD to last more than 5 years, 10 years if properly treated; even more. I'm writing this post on my legacy P4 Northwood system with a Seagate 120GB Sata I bought in early 2006. Perfect; zero bad sectors.
With the exception of getting them at a physical store I totally agree with you. My experience has been completely different in that respect. Everyone of the hard drives that I have had fail in the last 20 years with one lone exception were all purchased locally. The one ordered online that died did so one day after the house it was in was struck by lightening. The other two drives ordered online at the same time as the one that failed survived and are still functioning perfectly FIVE years later. Considering that I have purchased close to 50 drives online for every drive I have picked up locally that is a statistically significant amount to make the statement that buying online isn't any worse than buying locally. I've seen the drives in local stores dropped, knocked off of shelves, and treated just as rough as anything they would receive during shipping, especially OEM drives that come out of multi-packs. I had one tech actually knock a brand new OEM drive wrapped only in the anti-static bag off of the counter onto a tile floor and then become indignant with me when I refused to accept it. Considering that all of those drives that are in stores had to be shipped from somewhere to get to the store pretty much kills the shipping theory. You stand just as big of a chance of getting a damaged drive from a local store as you do ordering online.
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I had one tech actually knock a brand new OEM drive wrapped only in the anti-static bag off of the counter onto a tile floor and then become indignant with me when I refused to accept it.
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With the exception of getting them at a physical store I totally agree with you. My experience has been completely different in that respect. Everyone of the hard drives that I have had fail in the last 20 years with one lone exception were all purchased locally. The one ordered online that died did so one day after the house it was in was struck by lightening. The other two drives ordered online at the same time as the one that failed survived and are still functioning perfectly FIVE years later. Considering that I have purchased close to 50 drives online for every drive I have picked up locally that is a statistically significant amount to make the statement that buying online isn't any worse than buying locally. I've seen the drives in local stores dropped, knocked off of shelves, and treated just as rough as anything they would receive during shipping, especially OEM drives that come out of multi-packs. I had one tech actually knock a brand new OEM drive wrapped only in the anti-static bag off of the counter onto a tile floor and then become indignant with me when I refused to accept it. Considering that all of those drives that are in stores had to be shipped from somewhere to get to the store pretty much kills the shipping theory. You stand just as big of a chance of getting a damaged drive from a local store as you do ordering online.
Oh yes, I know that feeling, those people that work in computer stores and really don't know much about computers and what they are handling are quite negligent in the way they pick up RAM sticks and handle harddrives - you have to get either lucky or know a good store.

Either way, perhaps I didn't make myself clear about that point:

"And I always go to a physical store to buy or get them; it's one step less in the risk chain."

It's just that statistically, it's one shipping less back and forth. At least in the store some of them know what they are handling. In the post office and the delivery crew... it's not quite the same... at all. At least not where I live.
 
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I still say that the difference is statistically immaterial. I've been doing this too long to think otherwise, but to each there own.
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Thread went a bit off course here
Anyway, i'm off, the new PSU is comfortably sitting in the case and adequatly doing its job
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Not uncommon. But the main thing is that your system is back up and running and you didn't lose any other hardware.
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Thread went a bit off course here
Anyway, i'm off, the new PSU is comfortably sitting in the case and adequatly doing its job
Quite right, sorry about that! Glad you solved the problem and everything else is working fine!
 
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Glad to hear it is up and happy. Well done for spotting the trouble and diagnosing it correctly, and that you replaced that hunk of junk before it killed any hardware.
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