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I was just invited to help shoot the Publix Georgia Marathon hosted by US road Sports Entertainment Group /. There will be roughly 18,000 runners. I'll be given a media pass/ creditals to shoot during the event which allows me in restricted areas of the 23 mile Marathon.

Now, i would not be compensated for my work but the photographers will enter a mini-contest. Best picture receives a $150 cash prize and the winning photo will be published and viewed by an estimated 150k people along with the photographer's name. That would help me put my name out there once i do start shooting professionally in my local area.

As most of you know. I now have a 5D Mark II which isn't exactly the ideal camera for a job such as this. I considered renting a 1D Mark IV for the event which will cost me $200 for the weekend if i rented locally, i will most likely rent a 16-35L II to slap on my 5DII as a second camera. I will have flashes on both for fill.

Now, with the majority of the info out of the way. The question is rather for me to rent the 1D Mark IV for the event or should i just go ahead and rent/ maybe buy a 7D for the work? Both have superb AF system, no doubt the 1DIV will be the better camera. $200 for a 3 day rental seems fairly steep IMO, could be money towards a second body.. which in this case will be a 7D.

(I do not know what the weather would be like that day, it's happening rain or shine.. but if i do rent, i need to reserve the camera ahead of time to ensure that i can get it.)

Also, another question. Has anyone worked/ has had any experience with Action Sports International? They will be covering the event as well but they're doing it to sell prints. I thought that since i'll be doing it anyway.. I might make a few extra bucks working for them for just that one day if possible. They paid roughly $30- $50 per hour.

Edit: If anyone has had any prior experience shooting marathons.. i wouldn't mind some tips since i'll be a first timer
Edited by Eek - 2/23/11 at 11:54pm
    
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i dont think its necessary to rent a 1d4 or 7d for its AF but i have no experience with marathon shooting. i have used a 5d2 on the track and it was fine. i dont know if you want to pan the runners, but if you do make sure to roughly fill the VF with teh subject cause if the subject moves off the AF point the 5d2 stumbles a bit.

but now if you want to rent/buy a 2nd body as a spare then i would say go for it. you never knwo what is going to happen.......
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Now, i would not be compensated for my work but the photographers will enter a mini-contest. Best picture receives a $150 cash prize and the winning photo will be published and viewed by an estimated 150k people along with the photographer's name. That would help me put my name out there once i do start shooting professionally in my local area.
Lol. The age-old "it's great for your portfolio, so we won't pay you" excuse. Trust me, it won't get your name out there. I've been backstage at festivals, concerts. No one will remember you. You probably won't even be thanked for your pictures afterwards.

Honestly, this kind of behaviour is what's killed the photography industry (especially the starters). No one pays, if they can get photographers for free.

However, I do think it will be a fun experience for you, so go for it. Have fun, enjoy being "backstage". Just don't expect your photography business to bloom, it probably won't.

Don't rent anything, shoot with what you have. Does your camera break half-way in? too bad for them, should've paid you so you could have rented a spare!
    
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Running stuff is super easy on the AF. My 5DII could track basketball.
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marathons are super easy to track. you wouldn't need a faster af than what the 5d mk2 has. remember that these people are in a serious battle with themselves upkeeping a constant rhythm, it's very easy to predict where they're going. heck, you can probably just stay on single-shot af.

with your gear, i'd just bring the 70-200, maybe the 24-70 and the 580ex ii
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i dont think its necessary to rent a 1d4 or 7d for its AF but i have no experience with marathon shooting. i have used a 5d2 on the track and it was fine. i dont know if you want to pan the runners, but if you do make sure to roughly fill the VF with teh subject cause if the subject moves off the AF point the 5d2 stumbles a bit.

but now if you want to rent/buy a 2nd body as a spare then i would say go for it. you never knwo what is going to happen.......
Yeah, ideally i wanted to have two bodies to avoid swapping lenses all the time. I know i'll be going back and forth with the 24-70 or 70-200 alot.

If i do shoot with my 5DII, i'll probably be shooting in a portrait orientation, the linear outer AF points worries me. From my experience.. they're not the greatest when it comes to AI Servo tracking. I'm also very picky about my photos.. a slight OOF shot will be marked for deletion no matter what.

I'll be doing a wide variety of shots, from UWA to super-teles hoping that i can get a shot that would "stand-out". I might be able to get my hands on a 300/2.8 or a 400/2.8 for that day.. I know i'll be competing with tons of other very talented photographers and my chances of winning will be slim, but that doesn't mean i should give up trying.

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Lol. The age-old "it's great for your portfolio, so we won't pay you" excuse. Trust me, it won't get your name out there. I've been backstage at festivals, concerts. No one will remember you. You probably won't even be thanked for your pictures afterwards.

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Don't rent anything, shoot with what you have. Does your camera break half-way in? too bad for them, should've paid you so you could have rented a spare!
Yeah, i know how that is. But it's something that i can say i did when i do get a job somewhere photography related. Definitely beats "i have no real-world shooting experiences except shooting as a hobby".

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Running stuff is super easy on the AF. My 5DII could track basketball.
Hm.. maybe i should head out to my local park and just shoot some to see how decent my linear AF points are.. but i'm afraid they'll let me down. You used center-point for basketball correct?

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marathons are super easy to track. you wouldn't need a faster af than what the 5d mk2 has. remember that these people are in a serious battle with themselves upkeeping a constant rhythm, it's very easy to predict where they're going. heck, you can probably just stay on single-shot af.

with your gear, i'd just bring the 70-200, maybe the 24-70 and the 580ex ii
I guess i'm just paranoid about not having the right equipment for the job

Thanks for all the input guys. + Rep to all of you.

Edit: Does anyone have experience with ASI? Would there be legal issues if i sold them the photos yet provided the same photos to the USRS?
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Edit #2:

Now that i think about it.. i don't have to work for ASI to sell prints. What if i handed out some business cards with my info and have the runners contact me afterwards via phone or email to buy prints? Has anyone been able to pull that off?
    
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You want to have them contact you to buy the print rights to the photos, not prints, as its a lot less for you to deal with and probably a higher profit margin. = )
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Edit #2:

Now that i think about it.. i don't have to work for ASI to sell prints. What if i handed out some business cards with my info and have the runners contact me afterwards via phone or email to buy prints? Has anyone been able to pull that off?
Only for free, and not a single one thanked me for them... (wakeboarders, in my case)
    
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You want to have them contact you to buy the print rights to the photos, not prints, as its a lot less for you to deal with and probably a higher profit margin. = )
Great! Thanks for the tips!

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Only for free, and not a single one thanked me for them... (wakeboarders, in my case)
Hm.. Well i would only show them a small sample with watermarks all over it. Probably max 500pixels. They don't get the full size image unless i get the payment.

But anyway... I spent the better part of the last 5 hours designing my own business card. *Yes, i know i work slow.. But anyone care to comment on it?


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