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post #11 of 26
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1.)I am not sure wheter to do 2 loops or 1.
I got the Extended Ascension so I could do multiple loops but I just do not see the sense in seperate loops...due to my 1080 rad any heat clustering of all blocks would be negated if I had only one loop.Also if I had two loops I would have to choose which on gets the 1080 and that would just be overkill for either one GPU or CPU block.
Also what are the real advantages of multiple loops ? except that the heat of the blocks is seperated?

2.)I do not know about the mounting system of the Kryos altough chunky chimp said it was inferior to the EK ones but ...the Supreme HF mounting system isn´t too hard...you just have 4 long screws that go threw the motherboard...put the block on it...some springs...and 4 plate shaped screw to tighten...then you fasten those as hard as you can to force the block on the cpu as hard as you can...then all you do measuring if all the plate screws have the exact same hight ..if not you adjust and done
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I have Apogee XT, Supreme HF and Cuplex Kryos HF blocks and in my opinion mounting system of both EK and AC blocks sucks compared to Swiftech's.
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post #13 of 26
Honestly just get which one you think is the prettiest. There really isn't that much of a difference between them in terms of performance that will truly affect the performance of the loop. You'll eventually have so many radiators in your loop it won't matter. I'd run two loops eventually or if you plan to cool literally everything run a dual ddc setup with the dual ddc pumptop so they work together.
 
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post #14 of 26
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I got 1 x 360 Phobya G Changer 1.2 and the Phobya Xtreme 1080 9x120 mm rad....

If I chose to do two loops ...I would have to decide which block gets the 1080 and that would be overkill and unnecassary.

Practically I could do 4 loops due to the space of the Extended Ascension but the question is if it really makes sense.

The only advantage of seperate loops is the fact that after the block has cooled the exhaust water that is hotter won´t be used for the next one ..instead every block has its own freshly cooled water.
Disadvantages are more costs,
AC Kryos could be used because its restriction would not matter.

A single loop would be better in my case cause the 1080 rad cooling power could be equally shared only problems are flowrates...my D5 pump will manage to keep the flowrate over 1 GPM in the loop but it could be better.
Originally I wanted to get Dual D5...but I will get better pressure with a D5 and a MCP 355 in the loop.
Advantages:1080 rad,less costs
Disadvantages:none known so far


The EK Supreme HF performs better than the Kryos in my oppinion because he is less restrictive.
If we took the blank jetblade and just carved one line in it the EK would outperform the Kryos for sure due to more restrictivness.
That is bad in my oppinion.
The EK achieves the same results as the Kroys with less flow ...and revies have shown that the more flow the EK gets the more he beats the Kryos ...as you can clearly see in Vapors review.
EK Supreme HF Full Nickel is the best block on the market.
Edited by Kung Pow - 2/24/11 at 2:06pm
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post #15 of 26
Perhaps eventually get two of those. One mounted up top and one on the front. Set one to the gpu loop and the other to the cpu/ nb/sb/etc loop
 
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post #16 of 26
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2 x 1080 rad? stallion even for me that´s overkill^^

I will probably have the 360 rad before the cpu and 1080 before the GPU that way it will be nice

Seperate loops make no sense to me...I really do not see their advantages.
I think I made a good choice with my EK Supreme HF Full Nickel.

But what I am still loling about^^
Everybody says the D5 is one of the best pumps that creates the second best flowrate of 1200 l/h max.

But of what use is that? you will have restriction in your loop if it´s rads or blocks etc doesn´t matter.

The MCP 355 has max 22 PSI per 1 GPM omg!! the D5 only gets to 5PSI at 1 GPM and even that only with the EK top.
So I am asking myself right now what the advantage of a D5 to a MCP 355 reall is.

My D5 will be able to take my systems restriction with 5 PSI but still.
Also charlie not sure if you are reading this but you made a little mistake when you calculated the PSI ...you were taking the PSI the components required when they were tested in a loop with only them in it. In a full loop with all the components in it the overall PSI requirements will be lower than the ones when they were alone in the loop when being tested.
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post #17 of 26
You might as well get the second 1080 rad instead instead of a 360 bc they are nearly the same price if I recall correctly. You have to but the fans for those holes anyway, so might as well have rad there. I would run dual mcp 355s with the xspc acrylic dual top. It pretty much combines the pumps to they work together. It nearly doubles their power and creates some redundancy. I'm currently running that setup on my gpu loop and it's awesome. You can actually feel the intensity of the flowrate when you squeeze the tubing. I'll be getting two more mcp 355s and that same top for my cpu/nb/sb/mosfet/ram loop in place of my eheim hpps.

Since you do plan to have sli of some really high tdp cards then the 2nd 1080 rad would definitely help. It's not overkill until you hit a 2c delta
 
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haha 2 degree delta?^^ I think you just challanged me

Two problems:

1.)I already got the 360 rad but I could install it at the back panel
2.)I already have the D5 a second D5 would be too weak so I thought about D5 and MCP 355 in my loop.
I asked around if that was possible but people did not really give an accurate answer maybe you can give me your oppinion on that.


You are right 580 SLI and max overclocked develop at least 700 Watts ..that requires serious cooling power

I have 26 fans spaces in my Extended. 26 - 1x360,- 2x1080,leaves me 10 free fan spaces of which at least 4 have to be exhaust that would leave 6 intake or 1 x 360 and 3x120 intake not sure yet

Also your post in the Mountain Mods Club maid me very very happy
Seeing that you stood before the same decision as me and chose the same way
For what Supreme did you go? I am betting Full Copper^^

Got one question about the mounting system...I myself have never had experience with EK CPU block before...people are giving the HF´s mounting system a hard time and calling it primitve and easy to mess up.

Check out my idea of really having equal pressure on all sides...
screws through mobo....block on it...then the springs and the plate shaped screws to fasten the cooler to the board.
Now I am not sure but I think you are supposed to screw those down as hard as you can so the cooler sits as tight on the CPU as possible.
In the end I would just measure with a ruler with mm accuracy if they all are on the same level and done^^ what do you think? did you do it similar?

And last thought of mine was the appliance of the thermal paste....
I do not know if it is the same with Waterblocks ...but when I was aircooling Linus Sebastian from NCIX Tech Tips (you know the cocky nerd..I am sure you know him from youtube^^)..said for i7 you should use the line method and you should be sure the thermal compound does not cover the edges it should only have a oval shape and the edges should be free...is it the same with WB?

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Since you already have a d5 get a second, ubermod it, and put them together on a dual top just like the 355s. It's best that they work together instead of putting them at a different part of the loop. It'll overcome the restriction problem quite easily. My cpu loop has a 2.5c delta, but in order to get my gpu loop that low I'll need another 12x 120 rad area with the speed of fans I'm using.

I went with the nickel version since all of my waterblocks are chromed. The mounting system is cake. Whoever complains about it is new to watercooling. You just screw in the mounts and ur good to go. I install the pegs then just place the waterblock on the die and tighten it. Easy as heck. I screw it down tight, but not too tight. You'll recognize the firmness.

As for applying thermal compound... I just cover the whole die. Worked well so far
 
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2x Hardware Labs Black Ice GTX 280 Hardware Labs Black Ice GTX 480 Dual Uber MCP655 Noiseblocker PK-3  
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Bitspower Compression Fittings Lamptron FC-8 Noiseblocker PL-2 Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit 
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Asus PB287Q 4K Steelseries 7G Custum wired EVGA NEX 1500 Caselabs SMA8 
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Rat 7 Razer Goliathus XL 
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i7 920 c0 @ 4.2 Ghz w/ 1.4v max 4.6ghz @1.55v w... Asus P6T6 WS Revolution w/ koolance nb/sb+mosfe... EVGA GTX 480 x3 w/ Koolance Vid-NX480 12gb Corsair Dominator 1600mhz w/ MIPS Ramcooler 6 
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1.5 Tb Seagate barracuda x3 LG Bluray Burner 2x SR1 360, RX 360, SR1 240, SR1 120, 2x MCP355... Win 7 Ultimate 64bit 
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Samsung t260 x3 Razer Black Widow Ultimate Silverstone st1200 Mountain Mods U2UFO w/ MM Pedestal Addition 
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Razer Mamba Razer Destructor X-Fi Fata1ity Logitech Z-5500 
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i7 3840QM 650ti 8GB 1333mhz DDR3 256gb ssd 
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OSX Mountain Lion Retina Display 85w Magsafe Power Adapter Aluminum Unibody 
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