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post #21 of 40
2011 won't have the fsb limit.


FSB overclocking is only good for overclocking ram past bios options and for increasing NB clocks. Neither of which really matter with SB since it's so dang fast with memory there is almost no difference between 1333 CL9 and 2133 CL 9... It's a moot point.
    
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Purely in my opinion.

Bulldozer will be 2,4,8,(16 - doubtful) threads. Clocked nativly at about 3.5ghz+. Able to reach about 4.5ghz+ with a bit of effort. Will likely sit between nehalem and sb - being a little closer to sb hopefully.

Would be good for prices/competition if thats the case
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*Starts saving for custom waterloop* This baby isnt going anywhere @ stocks..
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Stock or not, I think that is pretty difficult that can against SB and Ivy Bridge.

I'm waiting for Bulldozer too, because I like the low AMD price, compatibility and lifespan that offer, but I'm also trying to get a SB rig.
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I'm wagering that it'll at least perform faster clock-for-clock and core-for-core than LGA1155, and that it will overclock much further on air
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Originally Posted by BallaTheFeared View Post
2011 won't have the fsb limit.


FSB overclocking is only good for overclocking ram past bios options and for increasing NB clocks. Neither of which really matter with SB since it's so dang fast with memory there is almost no difference between 1333 CL9 and 2133 CL 9... It's a moot point.
With a max multi of 57 and 100Mhz fsb you are limited, all be it, it's a fantastic limit. What they're trying to get at is, if the fsb wasn't locked, that x50 multi at say 150mhz fsb would suddenly be 7500Mhz. Since SB doesn't seem limited by heat it seems a shame you have a locked fsb. Who knows how high it COULD clock?
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post #27 of 40
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2011 is meant for server and enthusiasts, just because AMD forgot about the latter doesn't mean Intel did too .
tell me, do you think that G34 "multichip module" you could OC so high like AM3 ???
if you really think so, you are very naive ...

funny part is, when discussion is about 8cores BD -- you say that you dont care about so many cores, you need only good overclock..
And suddenly you say, that server platform/socket matters for enthusiats ??


Dont be stupid, servers ARE NOT MADE FOR OVERCLOCKS, THEY ARE MADE FOR STABILITY.
Secondly, if you expect better overclocks on server platform / big core count - youre wrong.

Do your own research, LGA2011 was presented as server only ; LGA 1155+1356 for desktops.
But somebody is playin´ with wiki article these days - i guess its vandalism
    
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tell me, do you think that G34 "multichip module" you could OC so high like AM3 ???
if you really think so, you are very naive ...

funny part is, when discussion is about 8cores BD -- you say that you dont care about so many cores, you need only good overclock..
And suddenly you say, that server platform/socket matters for enthusiats ??


Dont be stupid, servers ARE NOT MADE FOR OVERCLOCKS, THEY ARE MADE FOR STABILITY.
Secondly, if you expect better overclocks on server platform / big core count - youre wrong.

Do your own research, LGA2011 was presented as server only ; LGA 1155+1356 for desktops.
But somebody is playin´ with wiki article these days - i guess its vandalism
A lot of people are forgetting (or are just ignorant) about Bulldozers 8 cores and Intel's Hyper Threading. People are so enthusiastic about Intel's Hyper Threading because it allows multi-threaded apps to perform better, and the OS see's the virtual threads as cores. WELL, AMD is countering the Hyper Threading by using REAL CORES.

The people that are saying AMD need's to have 8 cores to counter Intel's 4 are very ignorant. Because those are the same people that have Hyper Threading. When only 2 or 1 module is in use, CLOCKS INCREASE GREATLY. So obviously it's not going to perform less when clocks go up. All of the presentations that AMD has been doing talk directly that "Core Clusters" are better than "Virtual Threads". Which means AMD Bulldozer 8 core will compete directly with Core I7 2600.
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A lot of people are forgetting (or are just ignorant) about Bulldozers 8 cores and Intel's Hyper Threading. People are so enthusiastic about Intel's Hyper Threading because it allows multi-threaded apps to perform better, and the OS see's the virtual threads as cores. WELL, AMD is countering the Hyper Threading by using REAL CORES.
Real cores = good performance everytime

It may look "breathtaking" for some guys, if they read about (for example) SUN SPARC cpu´s -
- these specs are looking appealing 16cores 128threads.

But x86 is different, - virtual threads do not perform always well in various workloads.
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The people that are saying AMD need's to have 8 cores to counter Intel's 4 are very ignorant. Because those are the same people that have Hyper Threading. When only 2 or 1 module is in use, CLOCKS INCREASE GREATLY. So obviously it's not going to perform less when clocks go up. All of the presentations that AMD has been doing talk directly that "Core Clusters" are better than "Virtual Threads". Which means AMD Bulldozer 8 core will compete directly with Core I7 2600.
i agree with you, sure

Dualcore - two lane highway, no bottlenecks
Hyper Threading - making one lane highway act like two lane, but if its fully loaded there are bottlenecks
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i see in my local shop price difference between 2500k-2600k 86€.

Of course its NOT worth it, only 2MB more cache and + 4 VIRTUAL threads..
    
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*Starts saving for custom waterloop* This baby isnt going anywhere @ stocks..
*Cold Chuckles*

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