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Originally Posted by Korlus View Post
Why, if all he does is game? 90% of games are still dual-core limited. Maybe in a year's time or so, if more come out.


The question here is: Do you get enough frames per second?

If overclocking your GPU still gives you a noticeable rise in fps in the games you play, you probably don't need a new CPU. If it doesn't, then start considering one that will clock higher.

Why? It was proved a while back here that an i3 usually beats an i7 for gaming:
http://www.overclock.net/intel-cpus/...e-updated.html
An I3 with HT on (2cores,4 threads) is like a Quad Core Lite. It performs superior to a Core2 Duo.
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post #12 of 77
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Wondering if people think the Core2Duo series is still good enough for modern gaming?

Take my rig for example, I've got an E4600 and 6950 1GB (yet to update sig), is the E4600 going to be able to keep up, or do I need start looking at moving to a quad or new platform?

I can overclock it to ~3.4GHZ without pumping excessive amounts of voltage through and if I can get away with the E4600 for a while then I will.

When I say modern games I mean anything that's been released in the past 12 months and going to be released in the next 12 months. Witcher 2, MAFIA 2, Crysis 2 are just a few I've been thinking of grabbing, but not much point if my E4600 can't hold it's own.

Thanks for input.
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I'd say you need a quad no to game smoothly
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post #14 of 77
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No it can't cut it for recent games and future games. Overclocking will not make up for the lack of cores. Games have been using more than two cores and will continue to do so, as a result your performance will suffer with a C2D.
Did you look at the link I gave at all. Most games don't need lots of cores. They need two cores running at high clock speeds. It might be limited by its cache size and memory controller designs etc (architecture) but upgrading to a Core 2 Quad is not going to fix that. The i3 vs. i7 link shows quite clearly that the number of cores is not a huge issue. It's true that there are some games that use multiple cores, particularly games with an emphasis on physics (e.g. games using the source engine) and real time strategies (excluding starcraft 2, which doesn't gain *much* after the first two cores).... But they are the minority and not the majority.


Edit:

Oh, and if you're worried about how future games run on your PC, why not wait to see if you need to upgrade? As much as I'd like for every game to start using multiple cores, games are still made with the majority of people in mind.

Tech prices are constantly dropping. Why buy now if you don't need it, when you could buy six months in the future when you do need it, and save yourself £50 in the process?

This may (and hopefully will) change in the future, but right now, if all you do is game and watch movies etc, there's no compelling reason to own a quad core over a dual core.
Edited by Korlus - 2/24/11 at 4:59am
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Black ops is poorly ported indeed, i get some random lag on my machine even.

Core 2 Duo are great CPU's and will still play almost every single game now and should keep doing alright for another year or 2, just.

Yes it will limit your GPU though.

Upgrading to a quad will not give you the boost you would hope to see though. Its the major architecture change of going from core 2 to iX that gives the most benefit.
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post #16 of 77
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Did you look at the link I gave at all. Most games don't need lots of cores. They need two cores running at high clock speeds. It might be limited by its cache size and memory controller designs etc (architecture) but upgrading to a Core 2 Quad is not going to fix that. The i3 vs. i7 link shows quite clearly that the number of cores is not a huge issue. It's true that there are some games that use multiple cores, particularly games with an emphasis on physics (e.g. games using the source engine) and real time strategies (excluding starcraft 2, which doesn't gain *much* after the first two cores).... But they are the minority and not the majority.


Edit:

Oh, and if you're worried about how future games run on your PC, why not wait to see if you need to upgrade? As much as I'd like for every game to start using multiple cores, games are still made with the majority of people in mind.

Tech prices are constantly dropping. Why buy now if you don't need it, when you could buy six months in the future when you do need it, and save yourself £50 in the process?

This may (and hopefully will) change in the future, but right now, if all you do is game and watch movies etc, there's no compelling reason to own a quad core over a dual core.
Yeah you linked to a dual core with HT, which is pretty stupid to bring into this discussion considering his current dual core.





Those are pretty old games and you can clearly see the benefit of having at least a quad core.
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Originally Posted by Korlus View Post
Did you look at the link I gave at all. Most games don't need lots of cores. They need two cores running at high clock speeds. It might be limited by its cache size and memory controller designs etc (architecture) but upgrading to a Core 2 Quad is not going to fix that. The i3 vs. i7 link shows quite clearly that the number of cores is not a huge issue. It's true that there are some games that use multiple cores, particularly games with an emphasis on physics (e.g. games using the source engine) and real time strategies (excluding starcraft 2, which doesn't gain *much* after the first two cores).... But they are the minority and not the majority.


Edit:

Oh, and if you're worried about how future games run on your PC, why not wait to see if you need to upgrade? As much as I'd like for every game to start using multiple cores, games are still made with the majority of people in mind.

Tech prices are constantly dropping. Why buy now if you don't need it, when you could buy six months in the future when you do need it, and save yourself £50 in the process?

This may (and hopefully will) change in the future, but right now, if all you do is game and watch movies etc, there's no compelling reason to own a quad core over a dual core.


He needs a new CPU as his low binned chip will not do 4Ghz.

His chip at 3.2Ghz is no were near enough.

4Ghz is the minimum he needs on that dual core to make it worth while.

If he's getting a new CPU he might as well get a Quad.
post #18 of 77
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Black ops is poorly ported indeed, i get some random lag on my machine even.

Core 2 Duo are great CPU's and will still play almost every single game now and should keep doing alright for another year or 2, just.

Yes it will limit your GPU though.

Upgrading to a quad will not give you the boost you would hope to see though. Its the major architecture change of going from core 2 to iX that gives the most benefit.
Largely this. The Core 2 Quads will give a performance increase in some circumstances (e.g. running Dawn of War 2 and a few other games), but for most games, your best upgrade would either be to an i3 on the 1156 platform and overclock, or to an 1155 i5 and overclock.

The 1155 i5 would be a huge upgrade, but also a huge amount of money, so I suggest waiting to see what Bulldozer brings.


It's sad that the 1155 i3's can't be overclocked, as otherwise those would be the perfect chips for you.
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He needs a new CPU as his low binned chip will not do 4Ghz.

His chip at 3.2Ghz is no were near enough.

4Ghz is the minimum he needs on that dual core to make it worth while.

If he's getting a new CPU he might as well get a Quad.
My point is that a quad running at 4 Ghz will barely (if at all) run faster than a dual at 4 Ghz, and an upgrade from a C2D running at 3.2 -> 4 Ghz is not a large upgrade. He'd do better to either change architectures or just wait until his fps actually bothers him.


Incidentally, as he said he can reach 3.2 Ghz without much in the way of volts etc, he could probably push higher, further reducing his need for another chip.


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Apologies for the double post. I saw that and thought someone else had replied.
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I max out BO easily!!! And my e5400 is almost = to e4600. If i lower aa it runs much better. I tried dirt2 grid sf4 re5..etc the only game that suffered is badcompany 2 (which loves more cores) and ofcourse crysis (cpu dependant).
Not denying the fact that alot of ppl with same card as mine get MUCH higher fps. But changing gpu gives better results than changing cpus.
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