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I would like to point out that C2D's have more cache than newer 1156 dual cores and run tighter latency for memory [ddr3 or not..its still tighter than 1156]. Cache and mem latency are two big factors in gaming performance. Any E8xxx or E9xxx will hold its own gaming against any 1156 rig.. its only when you start comparing to 1366 or 1155 that the scales start tipping for newer gen hardware.
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lolwut untrue. Only game I've been limited by GPU is GTA IV.
You know, there's a difference between having an HD 5770 and an HD 6950. He will see massive bottlenecks in all titles, whether or not they're quad core optimized.
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Wondering if people think the Core2Duo series is still good enough for modern gaming?

Take my rig for example, I've got an E4600 and 6950 1GB (yet to update sig), is the E4600 going to be able to keep up, or do I need start looking at moving to a quad or new platform?

I can overclock it to ~3.4GHZ without pumping excessive amounts of voltage through and if I can get away with the E4600 for a while then I will.

When I say modern games I mean anything that's been released in the past 12 months and going to be released in the next 12 months. Witcher 2, MAFIA 2, Crysis 2 are just a few I've been thinking of grabbing, but not much point if my E4600 can't hold it's own.

Thanks for input.

You GPU is good; you CPU is outdated and there is nothing you can do about it. Why ?

Because:

1. It's manufactured in 65nm technology, which is certainly good, but leaves you less overclocking headroom compared to the newer 45nm ones

2. It only has 2MB of L2 cache. Core 2 Duos and Quads love L2 cache. A Core 2 Duo E8200 at stock 2.6 Ghz will beat a Core 2 Duo E7500 at stock 2.93, despite it's 266Mhz advantage. The first has twice the cache and a faster FSB. You might have a go at the FSB, but there is nothing you can do about the cache. And remember, you only have 2MB of L2 cache, not even 3MB as the Core 2 Duos E7xxx series.

3. It's a dual core. Even if a game uses only 2 cores, where do the Windows background processes go ? A triple core would be more suited even for games that only take advantage of 2 cores.

4. Current Core i3's already feature Hyperthreading to help with that, and they are quicker clock for clock than a Core 2 Duo E8xxx series. If you wanted to keep pace with a Core i3 530 2.93Ghz, you'd have to overclock a Core 2 Duo E8400 (3Ghz) to around 3.7 Ghz.

5. There are already games taking advantage of 4 cores and no longer only favouring high Dual Core clockspeeds.

- Metro 2033 is sluggish with an E8400 3Ghz, but is perfectly playable with a Q9550, even at stock 2.83Ghz.
- GTA IV
- Battlefield: Bad Company 2
- Crysis 2 will obviously take advantage of 4 cores
- Most newer games will take advantage of 4 cores.


The good news is you have a great motherboard. Get yourself a Core 2 Quad Q9550, overclock it to 3.2 or 3.4 Ghz (or even more if you like - up to 4Ghz should be doable under moderate voltage increases and power consumption), and you've got a powerful CPU that will last you another 2 years.

Or, since your motherboard already uses DDR3, you don't need to buy RAM for a newer system, so the math for you is less clear. If you were using DDR2, I'd say it wasn't worth moving to an all new platform because the cost would be too much, even if a Core 2 Quad Q9550 is not exactly cheap, it would still be worth it after doing the math.

I guess it's up to you to decide. If you can get a good deal on a Q9550, go for it; if not, just wait for the revised Sandy Bridge motherboards and get yourself a Core i5 2500k. Until then, you can certainly play all games with a lower resolution/quality than your 3.4Ghz overclocked E4600 can handle.
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Your pretty inaccurate on a i3 being 'quicker clock fo clock' due to it having hyper-threading.

HT is like adding cores.. not speed or efficiency. So an i3 may be "stronger" in overall cpu performance due to it running more threads for MULTI-Threaded applications.. But this has NOTHING AT ALL to do with the i3 having less cache and being clocked slower... which will affect a lot of browsing type app's and office applications as well that are all single threaded and could care less about how many threads/cores you have.

ie- itunes will favor a C2D over the slower, albeit more efficient and "threaded" i3/5.. as well as plenty of others.
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You know, there's a difference between having an HD 5770 and an HD 6950. He will see massive bottlenecks in all titles, whether or not they're quad core optimized.
"Massive in all titles" is a little dramatic LMAO. I think he'll be fine playing HL2, but that is a pretty comical CPU/GPU mismatch.

I think that the E8400/E8500 at 4.0Ghz will be the last Duals I'd game on right now, and I wouldn't think to put anything more than a GTX460 on them TBH.
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"Massive" is a little dramatic. I think he'll be fine playing HL2, LMAO, but that is a pretty comical CPU/GPU mismatch.

I think that the E8400/E8500 at 4.0Ghz will be the last Duals I'd game on right now, and I wouldn't think to put anything more than a GTX460 on them TBH.
I'd be far more comfortable gaming on a fast quad which is why I won't be sticking to this dual (i5 2500K = <3). But all this raging and shizzle made me think about doing a comparison. Before and after perf with the same GPU, you know. I believe even my averages will rise in most games.
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