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I am curious as to the reason they chose Stainless tubing, given its poor thermal conductivity. Perhaps the tubing and fins were originally designed for industrial applications, where high pressure tubing is needed?
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Really? I mean, what are you crying about? You haven't even seen a performance review on these and are merely judging them on looks. Seems to be a bit hypocritical to me.

He was doing quite the opposite actually. He isn't referring to the looks at all. It's a commonly known fact that copper is a better conductor of heat than aluminium. Just look here: http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/thermal-conductivity-d_429.html Choosing aluminium fins over copper fins just saves money at the expense of performance.
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I think it's clear you have some insider information regarding these companies, their radiators, and any fallings out that may have occurred between the two. Have you described how you fit into this picture?

Thus far, we have: you giving us the first glimpse of the non-TFC variant of the design, it's defense of how it has nothing to to with TFC, and spatterings of details which haven't surfaced elsewhere, and general unwarranted support for a completely unproven product.

Who are you?

I am an ordinary guy that just got lucky to contact the right person, Tom, "the insider", at that manufacturing company, that explained the whole situation.
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Really? I mean, what are you crying about? You haven't even seen a performance review on these and are merely judging them on looks. Seems to be a bit hypocritical to me.

Oh, I am not crying. And just based on the material alone I can tell you I don't want it. Maybe if I was trying to save weight I would go with aluminum... Maybe.. Otherwise copper is by far a superior material for heat transfer.

At least they got something a bit right, the core appears to be much thinner than the exterior of the radiator, allowing a small amount of space to act as a shroud between the core and the fans.
 
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SS tubes and ALUMI fins frown.gif no thanks! copper tubes or go home!

This.
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I'll actually wait for some detailed benchmarks before I cross them off the list. Some appear to have already decided they are crap; I'd rather see evidence to either support the performance buzz, or to prove it's been snake oil all along.

Until then, I remain neutral.
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"German company that specializes in metalwork and heat-transfer."
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"The material these radiators are made of is aluminum and stainless-steel."

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Making so many passes through 8mm tubes is going to be a lot more restrictive than the current parallel design seen more often nowadays.

And I'm skeptical of your claim that the water passes through different tubes at different speeds as well. Resistance to flow increases with increased flow and decrease with decreased flow, and nature hates a vacuum, so the flow rates should tend to even out.
    
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Yeah, I'll be waiting to see performance of these, as well. They look extremely promising except for the whole stainless steel thing, though it was explained that the steel is extremely thin, so I dunno. 185 Euro is a seriously high cost for that 360/420, though... it better be worth it.
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I'm still trying to figure out how we've been told for years that 90° bends are bad...let's start counting how many are in these rads...

I know...Skinnee and Martin have both proven that 90°s aren't as bad as they used to be...but still...the concept.

Add: 185 Euro = ~$255 US...??

Wow...
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