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wait has it not bothered anyone that the "cheaper" MBPs have the intel graphics instead of Nvidia or ATI?

-puts flamesuit on-
maybe i know nothing about laptops
That's what stops me from getting one and that I want the quad core. Yet the basic 15inch has a quadcore yet such a garbage GPU I need to step up again. Then it's too expensive.
Edited by Citra - 2/28/11 at 7:19pm
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wait has it not bothered anyone that the "cheaper" MBPs have the intel graphics instead of Nvidia or ATI?

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maybe i know nothing about laptops
the 13" MBPs are the low end. They were the middle and high-spec (I use these terms loosely) 13" plastic macbooks at first. They've always had integrated video solutions. They're just updated with aluminum bodies.

When they first became aluminum, the 13" were still called Macbooks (not pro). Now only the low-spec 13" is plastic.

Only look to the mid and high 15" and 17" for dedicated GPU (the low 15" was created for those wanting a bigger screen for cheap and did not exist till about a year or so ago).

On the note of pricing, at least Apple has something to offer (OSX) than just building a super expensive PC. Sony, I'm looking at you. I have a 6 year something old 11.1" Pentium M Vaio TX that retailed close to 3k. If you guys want to cry about prices, cry about Sony. And the quality of the materials is laughable for the price.
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the 13" MBPs are the low end. They were the middle and high-spec (I use these terms loosely) 13" plastic macbooks at first. They've always had integrated video solutions. They're just updated with aluminum bodies.

When they first became aluminum, the 13" were still called Macbooks (not pro). Now only the low-spec 13" is plastic.

Only look to the mid and high 15" and 17" for dedicated GPU (the low 15" was created for those wanting a bigger screen for cheap and did not exist till about a year or so ago).

On the note of pricing, at least Apple has something to offer (OSX) than just building a super expensive PC. Sony, I'm looking at you. I have a 6 year something old 11.1" Pentium M Vaio TX that retailed close to 3k. If you guys want to cry about prices, cry about Sony. And the quality of the materials is laughable for the price.

yea I've noticed how they tend to go back and forth with their specs and whatnot. if i bought the mac whose specs i'd like i'd feel like this
I'd rather buy something From Malibal for those prices. If i were stinking rich i'd prolly buy a mac and run windows

However

Are they trying to outdo USB 3.0? with the whole thunderbolt? I mean why not add that anyways right?
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yea I've noticed how they tend to go back and forth with their specs and whatnot. if i bought the mac whose specs i'd like i'd feel like this
I'd rather buy something From Malibal for those prices. If i were stinking rich i'd prolly buy a mac and run windows

However

Are they trying to outdo USB 3.0? with the whole thunderbolt? I mean why not add that anyways right?
Why would device manufacturers put out more USB 3.0 devices when more computer manufacturers should be using Light Peak versus USB 3.0? It's clearly better in just about every way and has the sames functions of USB 3.0 and more.

The bidirectional, 10 Gb/s each way, the ability to daisy-chain. All better than USB 3.0. Maybe it's a standard that SHOULD go by the way side. And I'm not saying this because I love Apple. I just paid for an expensive motherboard that has USB 3.0 support not even a year ago, now I feel like it just lost some of its value. On the other hand, I just bought one the MBP (upper 15" with the better GPU) to "ease the pain"...

Apple has enough influence to sway device manufacturers as well into making more Light Peak devices, now.
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I can't wait for things like this to be implemented all over the place! I remember them talking about fiber optic at pcper a while ago.
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wait has it not bothered anyone that the "cheaper" MBPs have the intel graphics instead of Nvidia or ATI?

-puts flamesuit on-
maybe i know nothing about laptops
Recent Intel GPUs aren't so bad, the SB ones beat all other GPUs for video transcoding (CUDA nearly matches it in speed but looks horrid, ATI is a lot slower and pure CPU is the slowest)

And if you want to do hardcore gaming on a laptop, you know, something not like The Sims or Minecraft, you're in the completely wrong market, buy a desktop, otherwise...Don't buy a Mac.
    
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wrong, and if the apple store is so boring why are the stores always full of people trying out the products?
Fanbots, and the fact that they are pretty much the only place to buy Apple products.

And boring, not just because the stores are empty and are antiseptic, but because most of their products are overpriced and borked and are simply not interesting. Apple used to be interesting and good, but those days are long gone. They just can't dial up the right combinations any more, but the fanbots gobble it up.

If Apple wants to make things more interesting, they could think about bringing out some decent products, like netbook/notebooks with real keyboards and regular sized screens, or an iPod that is about playing music without the postage stamp sized video, or even a laptop that has the essentials without borking them with interfaces that won't last and that can connect to zero devices.

I'd be excited enough if Apple managed to build in support for ASCII Text - so I wouldn't have to continually fiddle with "conversions" - although Open Office has been of great assistance in that regard.
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wait has it not bothered anyone that the "cheaper" MBPs have the intel graphics instead of Nvidia or ATI?

-puts flamesuit on-
maybe i know nothing about laptops
Um...because cheap laptops don't need discrete graphics any more than cheap desktops do? These aren't gaming machines that need powerful 3D rendering. The most complex video tasks these laptops will do is play HD movies, and Sandy's integrated graphics does that just fine.
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Yeah, I was thinking the same thing but didn't have time to post earlier. The only people who thought FireWire was a failure were people who didn't have decent camcorders. I'm not going to miss it, don't get me wrong; but calling it a failure is just misguided.
Firewire was pretty good, and I still use it on my remaining Apple systems. It was faster than USB when loaded, because FW was far better at bidirectional file transfers. In fact, FW400 was entirely compariable to running an internal PATA hard drive, and it was hard to tell the difference between FW800 and SATA, even on large files.

But I think it "failed" in the marketplace for a few reasons. The license fee, well, it was $1, which is trivial since people will pay large for real throughput. It was MS that delayed full support for FW, so on benchmarks, it looked slower than USB on Windows; while it was much faster than USB on a Mac. This is because Windows remained locked at FW150, but reported it as FW400. One of the Service Packs for XP corrected this, but the damage had been done. It is also true that the Chinese government became big backers of USB, to the point of making it mandatory in China, so FW was kind of shoved aside. Thus, FW equipped drive enclosures became expensive, while USB pricing was chopped. PC makers also dithered on FW, including it on some models and not on others, and if you asked, the general reply was that it was "too expensive for the cutthroat market.

Perhaps the other issue was bus power, which was never specified, so your mileage would vary. USB does have the advantage of an exact specification (which most makers abided by, but Apple and HP were abusers on many models), making it suitable for powered devices, like keychain drives, SD card adaptors, etc. The topology is also more ideal for such devices, since FW is inherently a bus topology making it hard to use portable, hot swappable devices of convenience, and because FW hub controllers were fairly complex and expensive, compared to a USB host controller that is much simpler and much less expensive.

The real need for speed is yet another factor, since people that need speed will buy speed. So video production houses will buy Firewire, or eSATA, or NAS, or a server connected by fiber optic; while someone that is using a keychain to move documents and files from place to place could generally care less if the copying process takes an extra two seconds and USB is good enough. Unfortunately, the people who need speed didn't stick to FireWire. But then, Apple didn't either, dropping FireWire on their iPods many years ago, because even they determined that USB was not only good enough, but that the bus power of USB was more than enough to charge the device and to download music, with one single, easy to obtain cable,
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Um...because cheap laptops don't need discrete graphics any more than cheap desktops do? These aren't gaming machines that need powerful 3D rendering.
Maybe not rendering, but I am quite happy with my AMD laptopwith discrete video because it feels quick because the main memory isn't being bogged down by the video system. Even though the CPU is slightly slower than the Intel equivalent system, the Intel system just felt sluggish because of the integrated video, and the fact that the system had to swap more and harder because of the memory stolen by the video system.

Of course, it was a tough purchase because the dude at the computer store really tried to sell the fear of AMD, and was pretty sure that this machine wouldn't do anything that I wanted. He didn't even think AMD could run Firefox...
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