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I just purchased a new 15" macbook pro about 2 weeks ago. Should I try to take it back and then upgrade to a new one?
Definitely. I think you can do this if your purchase was within 14 days of their release.

In fact, I think Apple just recently dropped their restocking fees as well, so it might not even cost you anything to get a faster system.

If you can't though I wouldn't worry, it's still a good machine you have.
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What a load of crap. Browsers in general on OSX are much slower performing than their Windows counterparts on the same hardware. Safari and Chrome are painful to use on the 2.4GHz MBP I've got right now. OSX needs far more RAM to multitask well compared to Windows too. That notebook has 4GB and it can often hang for 30+ seconds if you switch from doing web browsing to photo editing (in Lightroom) or any other demanding applications. I have a lower spec PC with 4GB RAM which has no such issue.

I had a maxed out 17" Powerbook years ago (I think 1.6GHz? The last one before they switched to Intel) and it was not a fast machine at all. It cost me the best part of £3000 and couldn't even handle 480p videos on youtube.


This is another common misconception that Mac users have. OSX does try to manage things so that files over 20MB in size are contiguous but it ends up slowing down just as much as Windows machines do when you haven't defragged them for a while. The difference is that Mac users assume they never do have to defrag, and there's no utility to check current fragmentation built into the OS so they are blissfully ignorant.

One of the older Macbooks we've got here (running 10.6 though) absolutely needs defragging every few months or else it gets unbearably slow to use.

Even better, as OSX does not come with any sort of defragmentation utility, you have to shell out $30 for a copy of iDefrag.
i am using the macbook in my sig. safari opens up in 2-5 seconds, firefox is a bit slower though. the only program that really pushes it is iphoto '11 but once its open it runs fairly smooth considering it is almost 4 years old, was the base model, and is still able to function well enough for me not to want to throw it out a window makes it well worth what i paid.

i also have a 15" powerbook g4 that was bought off a friend just to basically play around with. my brother uses that one now. yes it does struggle to play flash videos but it does well with h.264.

i have never paid for any kind of maintenance utility. i have a free dashboard widget that allows me to see when the daily, weekly, and monthly scripts were last ran and to run them if they havent been. i have not had any slow down on this machine since... i installed snow leopard on its release day.
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With a 250GB drive, it's going to take longer to fill up and show the effects of fragmentation. The maintenance scripts OSX runs do not defragment the drive. The only solution is to buy iDefrag.

I suppose it depends what you expect. I find that the systems are noticeably less responsive in OSX compared to Windows 7. Though I much prefer using OSX, it is definitely more demanding on hardware and even for simpler tasks like browsing (I tend to keep multiple browsers open loaded up with anything from 5-50 tabs each) 4GB RAM is the minimum I find tolerable without it slowing down all the time, and even then Safari and Chrome get pretty slow at times. (Safari in particular)


As soon as I switch to photo editing from browsing, or vice-versa it's going to be at least 30+ seconds to switch over and longer before the browser/photo editing tools are fully responsive.

On my old i7 system with 8GB RAM (another restriction - only 8GB on the notebooks) and SSD this was definitely far less of an issue but still showed up every now and then, and virtual machines (Parallels) still didn't perform brilliantly.


I don't really consider application launch times to be important when it comes to system performance/usability. If they're too slow, throw in an SSD and it's sorted. It won't fix things like the amount of RAM OSX uses or how much extra CPU/GPU power it seems to need compared to Windows to perform similar tasks.
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Definitely. I think you can do this if your purchase was within 14 days of their release.

In fact, I think Apple just recently dropped their restocking fees as well, so it might not even cost you anything to get a faster system.

If you can't though I wouldn't worry, it's still a good machine you have.
I just bought it on the 16th today is the last day, I'll be returning it
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This comment is so far from the truth it is somewhat funny. Apple products are spectacular for educated people. I almost always use my MBP(just got a new 13") for school. It is productive and free of all the problems that windows has...

The problem with windows is that they use all terrible code and have never revamped the OS. I would be much more likely to agree with you if Windows wasn't a programming disaster.

I apologize if you use Linux, but honestly no Windows user should ever dump on Mac when Windows is such a mess.
You misunderstood me. You may be productive but most people who buy them are not. Go to university, check out who's using a MBP (almost everyone) and see what they are doing. Matlab? Doubt it. Digital design? Adobe makes the same suits all over. Wolfram Mathematica? Fat chance.

What I am getting at is: Apple has a way of making people want their products. Most people who go after their products have no clue what they are buying, hence where I pulled my uneducated comment. People hear oh its good for media, its good for design but never question why. I hate that and people just buy into the whole just works marketing. It doesn't "just work", OSX crashes on me like crazy. Good code is not grown in magical trees and to say that Windows has crap code is really such a blanket statement.


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With a 250GB drive, it's going to take longer to fill up and show the effects of fragmentation. The maintenance scripts OSX runs do not defragment the drive. The only solution is to buy iDefrag.

I suppose it depends what you expect. I find that the systems are noticeably less responsive in OSX compared to Windows 7. Though I much prefer using OSX, it is definitely more demanding on hardware and even for simpler tasks like browsing (I tend to keep multiple browsers open loaded up with anything from 5-50 tabs each) 4GB RAM is the minimum I find tolerable without it slowing down all the time, and even then Safari and Chrome get pretty slow at times. (Safari in particular)


As soon as I switch to photo editing from browsing, or vice-versa it's going to be at least 30+ seconds to switch over and longer before the browser/photo editing tools are fully responsive.

On my old i7 system with 8GB RAM (another restriction - only 8GB on the notebooks) and SSD this was definitely far less of an issue but still showed up every now and then, and virtual machines (Parallels) still didn't perform brilliantly.


I don't really consider application launch times to be important when it comes to system performance/usability. If they're too slow, throw in an SSD and it's sorted. It won't fix things like the amount of RAM OSX uses or how much extra CPU/GPU power it seems to need compared to Windows to perform similar tasks.
OMG. Yes! One of my memory modules died on my MBP 13 inch. I said ok.. lets replace it with two spare 1Gb DDR3 sticks that I pulled from a Macbook. Effectively I'd have what amounts to a Macbook. Its ok I said, OSX will triumph.

Yeah right. My MBP would hang for 30 seconds when I switched from Safari into Aperture, Steam would crash all the time, MS Word 2008 and 2011 would take more than a minute to start. Coming back from sleep, the laptop would hang. It was horrible. Windows 7 wasn't like this at all when I ran it with a single core @ 2Gb DDR2. I have since upgraded it to 8GB of faster DDR3 however Aperture still takes around 10 seconds per RAW photo (15Mb file) to process and do simple edits such as exposure adjustments.

I really don't see what people like about the MBP. Now with Sandy Bridge out, hey, its not so bad. But even with 8Gb of ram.... I cant even virtualize Windows 7 fluidly. Its really sad.

But oh hey, it has great looks. Meanwhile my cousin's 14 inch Envy is doing circles around my laptop.

Maybe I should try a Ram disk for OSX and Aperture but what regular OSX user would think about that in the first place? And before I install an expensive SSD; I'd like some TRIM please.
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But oh hey, it has great looks. Meanwhile my cousin's 14 inch Envy is doing circles around my laptop.
I have an Envy 14... its really a super computer actually. Glad you brought it up. Using it right now... 1600x900 pixels with 1Gb 5650 is nice on 32nm process since last summer. =]
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Mouse?
Just to be clear, Apple didn't invent the mouse. Xerox did. Apple "stole" the idea and commercialized it in the Mac, sure...but they didn't invent it.

Everything else on your list is dead on. People that hate on Apple conveniently like to overlook how much they have disrupted, if not completely reinvented industries, that are/were not even "technology" industries per se.

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All in all, Apple mostly really caters to the uneducated sheeple.
I really hate generalizations like that. There are a lot of tech-educated people that simply choose Macs over other options because they legitimately like them better. I have gone over the reasons why that is a valid position time and time again on these forums.

If there are anything like "sheeples" out there, it's actually more of a negative reaction to Windows history of being "crappy" than Mac being "good". Sure, Windows 7 isn't Windows Me or Windows Vista...but 15 years of being "crappy" creates a mindset among people. How many rabid fanboys do we have on OCN that think ATI sucks or Nvidia sucks, all for different reasons, some valid and some unwarranted, and some just because someone else here ranted about their own experience?

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Want to use Bluray? Tough. I can't understand why they even bother to ship the machines with a useless 8x DVD drive.
This statement makes no sense. Sure, a Blu-Ray option would make sense...but you make it sound as if every PC/Mac should come with a BD-ROM drive standard. That's wrong. Almost all software fits on a single DVD, and DVD format movies are still outselling Blu-Ray disc movies by a wide margin. The market is not ready for BD to become the default standard drive. (Nor do I think it ever will be personally, but that's a different topic.)

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What I am getting at is: Apple has a way of making people want their products. Most people who go after their products have no clue what they are buying, hence where I pulled my uneducated comment.
Nuggets of truth here, but I still don't think that makes someone "uneducated". By making iPhones and iPads great tools for people, they instill some brand loyalty that naturally biases future purchases towards Macs. All companies try to do that, with varying degrees of success. I agree that people should always research the invidual products of course, but let's not single Apple out as if they are the only ones using this particular CRM technique.
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I am posting from my i7 MBP 2010 edition. It is my 5th Mac. I love them. Do not get me wrong. I am not some "user" who knows nothing about computers. I am an avid PC Gamer and hardware overclocking enthusiast. So why Do I love my MBPs? I do everything on them except for Overclock and game. Thats what my big loud PC is for. I really enjoy building computers and overclocking them, and I still can do that. It seems people always assume that you buy a Mac and you cant have a PC too. The Elegance of OSX is amazing and once you start learning it and working with it, it is irreplaceable. I love Win 7, but I really prefer to work inside OSX whenever possible.

Anyway, I made this post because of the whole Blu-Ray debate. I am 100% Glad Apple did not include a Blu-Ray player in my machine. I dont want to spend the money on a Blu-Ray and I definitely dont want to haul them around with me. You may not be a fan of iTunes... but you have to admire the concept. All of my media is digital and can carry it on my 1" thick MBP all the time. That in itself is an amazing concept. People who fight for physical media are stuck in the past. Do you want a cassette player port in your MBP too? That would be a sexy 4" thick laptop.

Edit: You can argue that I can still use the iTunes method, just give people an option for a Blu-Ray player. While I agree options are great for us people... we need to kill physical media sooner than later. By not including the option you are severing that need/want.
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This statement makes no sense. Sure, a Blu-Ray option would make sense...but you make it sound as if every PC/Mac should come with a BD-ROM drive standard. That's wrong. Almost all software fits on a single DVD, and DVD format movies are still outselling Blu-Ray disc movies by a wide margin. The market is not ready for BD to become the default standard drive. (Nor do I think it ever will be personally, but that's a different topic.)
A DVD drive is of no use to me in 2011. Apart from installing the OS, and there are ways around that, pretty much any software is available to download now. As much as I hate to say it, music CDs are dead, and I haven't bought a DVD since 2006. A blu-ray drive is useful because you can use the laptop as a portable player. (either on the screen or hooked up to a HDTV) A DVD drive is not.

I would rather see a blu-ray drive in there, or make better use of the space by adding a second hard drive bay or an extended battery option. The DVD drive is a complete waste of space. Aside from re-installing OSX and installing Windows via Boot Camp, I have never used the DVD drive in any of the Macs here for years now. With the Macbook Airs, Apple supplies OSX on a USB drive, and the same could be done with Windows, so there is no need for DVD any more.

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Anyway, I made this post because of the whole Blu-Ray debate. I am 100% Glad Apple did not include a Blu-Ray player in my machine. I dont want to spend the money on a Blu-Ray and I definitely dont want to haul them around with me. You may not be a fan of iTunes... but you have to admire the concept. All of my media is digital and can carry it on my 1" thick MBP all the time. That in itself is an amazing concept. People who fight for physical media are stuck in the past. Do you want a cassette player port in your MBP too? That would be a sexy 4" thick laptop.
Let me know when digital distribution catches up and we get 30-40mbps 1080p video with lossless 5.1/7.1 audio. In fact, most download services aren't even up to DVD standards and are trying to push HD resolution video at less than 7mbps. (roughly what DVDs were encoded at) Hell, we still don't have a mainstream CD-quality music download service, when switching to digital distribution should have allowed us to get studio-quality 24/96 audio.

It might be acceptable on a 13" laptop, but the quality of download services is completely unacceptable on a HDTV and laughable on a projector setup, and that's ignoring the ridiculous prices that companies like Apple are charging for digital rentals.
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