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That Microsoft exec was right, windows PC makers could take a page or two out of apple's book on importance of hardware design.
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A DVD drive is of no use to me in 2011.
I agree. Only on the rarest of occasions have I used any of my DVD drives on any of my systems. Everything I do is digital. Hell even my vehicle has a USB port for audio. So in my car aside from XM/Sirius, bluetooth syncing and my thumb drive, I don't even need audio CD's - My car was the last place I used them and I'm yet to even pop one in. So burning CDs is a thing of the past. It almost seems archaic to me now.

People don't realize that you can do without these things. They're clinging to the past or these "what if" scenarios. Gotta get over them.
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A DVD drive is of no use to me in 2011.
I've drawn attention to the key words there. You do realize that you are an exception, not the rule? That's not anecdotal or speculation, there are plenty of stats out there that definiteively show that a) people in general still prefer to buy software on discs more than downloads (and I hope you agree that a DVD is sufficient for most software), and b) people in general still buy DVD movies far more than Blu-Rays.

Again...I'm on board that a Blu-Ray drive should be an option for those who prefer one. But the original assertion that it should just come with a BD-ROM period, end of discussion, is just crazy. The market just doesn't want that yet.

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People don't realize that you can do without these things. They're clinging to the past or these "what if" scenarios. Gotta get over them.
While correct, I don't think that fairly tells the whole story either. I can keep my home movies digitally only, but I prefer to make a Blu-Ray copy for convenience and backups. I can download games whenever I want, but sometimes I prefer to have the discs and/or the fancy packaging. Now preferences change of course...for example, I don't buy movies very often anymore, I just use Netflix. But even then, there are always going to be some movies that I prefer to own the disc. Why? Who knows, who cares, does it matter? The point is that saying "just do this instead because it's the shiny new thing" doesn't always cut the mustard.
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post #184 of 199
Blu-ray is approaching five years old now. Practically any non-Mac system either has Blu-ray readers (which can still burn DVDs) as an option, or as standard. Standalone blu-ray players have been cheap for a good year or so now.

The fact that Apple notebooks which command a premium over regular PC notebooks don't even have the option for blu-ray is ridiculous.

To avoid blu-ray and cling on to DVD is to be living in the past. Now some would argue that using optical media at all is living in the past, but we need digitally distributed video to catch up first before that's a viable option.


I don't know anyone that has bought software on a DVD for their Mac. In fact, there is very little Mac software that is available on DVD apart from maybe Apple's own software. There is now the App Store built into OSX for distribution and most other software is able to be downloaded from whoever makes it. Apple has already started to eliminate the optical drive by removing the DVD drives from their Macbook Airs in 2008.

Removing the optical drive doesn't stop those people that think they need a DVD drive from using a dirt-cheap external one, that will probably just sit unused in a box somewhere after they've used it the one time when they bought their machine to install that software off a disc they're clinging onto rather than downloading and installing an up-to-date version off the website.

Let the consumer buy Macbooks if they really want a DVD drive, but a pro machine should either have Blu-ray or forego optical media entirely. It's 2011, you can't keep living in the past with high-end computers. Apple were the first to drop the floppy drive entirely, the first to adopt standards like firewire and now thunderbolt, so it would not be beyond them to be the first to drop optical media entirely, considering they seem so against adding blu-ray drives because it competes with their awful iTunes stuff.

All a DVD drive does is take up space and add weight to the machine. A second hard drive in its place (or a boot SSD & storage drive) is infinitely more useful, or they could extend the battery capability instead - also considerably more useful. A blu-ray drive at least has some use in 2011. A DVD drive does not. Blu-ray or nothing.
post #185 of 199
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The fact that Apple notebooks which command a premium over regular PC notebooks don't even have the option for blu-ray is ridiculous.
As noted, I agree with this.

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Let the consumer buy Macbooks if they really want a DVD drive, but a pro machine should either have Blu-ray or forego optical media entirely. It's 2011, you can't keep living in the past with high-end computers. Apple were the first to drop the floppy drive entirely, the first to adopt standards like firewire and now thunderbolt, so it would not be beyond them to be the first to drop optical media entirely, considering they seem so against adding blu-ray drives because it competes with their awful iTunes stuff.
I could agree with this, but again it would need to be an option. Too many people have large DVD libraries and would balk at a system where a DVD drive was not even an optional add on. I think eventually optical will go away entirely, but we're just not there yet. Give it a few more years.

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A blu-ray drive at least has some use in 2011. A DVD drive does not. Blu-ray or nothing.
But statements like this last one overreach. Blu-Ray drives have significantly less use than a DVD drive. Again not speculation or personal belief, that's just hard fact: the volume of DVD discs floating around out there completely dwarf the number of BD discs out there.

So in essence, the position you are trying to argue is that Blu-Ray has "some use" and DVDs have "no use" simply because Blu-Ray is newer technology. Buit that's hogwash. Would you similarly argue that USB 2 has no use whatsoever now that USB 3 and/or Thunderbolt exists? That 2D TVs have no use whatsoever because 3D TVs exist? You get my point, I hope.

Bottom line: DVD remains the more useful optical disc format in 2011, and will likely retain that position for several more years. Consequently, expect DVD-ROM drives to remain standard equipment in all PCs for several more years...I speculate that 2015 would be the earliest we would see a tipping point.
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Thank you for the opportunity to further clarify my thoughts. Apple actually licensed the mouse and some other key interface stuff from Xerox. I do here that word "stole" a lot tho. Why?

Apparently, a mouse cost $900, before Steve invested bookoo $ to create a mouse that didn't have a special pad, weigh a ton and was not just a lab curiousity.

To me a mouse is just an upside-down trackball, and the act of "commercialization" was bringing to life a great product/tool that few knew that existed, many claimed that was useless, and was suddenly both affordable and useful for many.

How many companies do that even once? I'd include the mouse, desktop publishing, ipad as part of apple's portfolio.


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Just to be clear, Apple didn't invent the mouse. Xerox did. Apple "stole" the idea and commercialized it in the Mac, sure...but they didn't invent it.

Everything else on your list is dead on. People that hate on Apple conveniently like to overlook how much they have disrupted, if not completely reinvented industries, that are/were not even "technology" industries per se. .
Thanks for your view on that.

Launching the apple phone could have failed in so many ways it's not funny...

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22wh...GLL_en___US416

That was less than 4 years ago.
Edited by hellonwheelz - 3/4/11 at 3:22pm
post #187 of 199
Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but when are products with Thunderbird going to be launched? I'm really looking into a 15" MBP and I'd like to add an SSD to it and have all my storage in an external RAID array.
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Thank you for the opportunity to further clarify my thoughts. Apple actually licensed the mouse and some other key interface stuff from Xerox. I do here that word "stole" a lot tho. Why?
Laziness. "Stole" is bandied about a lot when a company didn't invent something but is frequently given the credit for it. I'm obviously guilty of this sort of misinformation myself, and I'll have to watch it in the future...saying Apple "stole" the mouse from Xerox is just as inaccurate as the people who think Apple invented the mouse, and I am generally pretty harsh on people who spread misinformation. So time to take some of my own medicine...stop saying things like this, Vulcan!!!
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Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but when are products with Thunderbird going to be launched? I'm really looking into a 15" MBP and I'd like to add an SSD to it and have all my storage in an external RAID array.
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Right, I don't see any products that use the Thunderbird connection.
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