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3, i see large potential in this, but it will take time, they will need early adopters, and in time when they get the light part down, we will see everything running around uncompressed, lots of potential. 100Gb /s +?
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from which/to which storage device would that be?

That was my thought exactly.

I guess you could transfer from RAM to screen in real time?


Whatever happens, it's very limited in its application from the sounds of it and thus is just a number 1 from me.


That said, I haven't really looked at it (nor do I plan to) so it could be useful for professional video editors etc. Prob makes up what 5-10% of users. In which case it's a 2 for being moderately useful... maybe.


Just checked something, it's gigabit not byte, what is so special about that anyway? I guess using the RAM as a buffer and an SSD you might just get to the 30 seconds of film. More useful on desktops imo.

Also, home hard drives can reach those speeds, check out pci solid states. scan.co.uk sell one that can hit 1.5GB/s transfer.
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But you are all failing to see the key point...

There is nothing out in the market that can saturate the bandwidth or come even close.

To saturate this you would need minimum 5 Vertex 2 drives in RAID-0, or 3 newer Vertex 3 drives in RAID-0 transferring highly compressible data. So tell me, what kind of practical use does this have? Not to mention that the fastest drives out in the market right now would certainly perform much worse when it comes to transferring incompressible data (Sanforce does not do well with incompressible data) so you can very easily double the above required drives to saturate the bandwidth...

Honestly, right now this is completely useless. Don't get me wrong though, it is a good tech seemingly but for all intents and purposes it is too early to market.
I'd beg to differ, especially since this is not limited to storage drives, but rather encompasses USB,Firewire, DVI/HDMI/Display Port, Ethernet... I have yet to see this in action but willing to bet a Thunderbolt box or hub of some sort will be available to split out ever single connection you have, which would be nice to remove all of those extra ports off of a motherboard so we can have more room for larger chipsets and the like.
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Eh. It's there, it works with existing peripherals, it doesn't cause a price premium. I'm not going to get worked up about it, but it's pretty slick. We'll just have to see how the market works out as time goes on.

Are Apple still using Foxconn motherboards? I'm guessing they had a special contract for MBP specific models with Thunderbolt on 'em, as I haven't heard anything from other mfc's.
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I chuckled.
But then, I thought: a RAID0 array of SATAIII (6Gbps) SSD's would be able theoretically be bottlenecked if you daisy-chain them on a single LightPeak interface.

I'm less interested in Apple, and more interested in this quote FTA:

I wonder what the implications would be for monitor technology
^ This, this is what is interesting indeed, and for this I would pay

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Originally Posted by Crabid View Post

That was my thought exactly.

I guess you could transfer from RAM to screen in real time?


Whatever happens, it's very limited in its application from the sounds of it and thus is just a number 1 from me.


That said, I haven't really looked at it (nor do I plan to) so it could be useful for professional video editors etc. Prob makes up what 5-10% of users. In which case it's a 2 for being moderately useful... maybe.


Just checked something, it's gigabit not byte, what is so special about that anyway? I guess using the RAM as a buffer and an SSD you might just get to the 30 seconds of film. More useful on desktops imo.

Also, home hard drives can reach those speeds, check out pci solid states. scan.co.uk sell one that can hit 1.5GB/s transfer.
That is not the point. Even in my post I indicated that setting up RAID-0 arrays could give you enough transfer speed to saturate this interface, but the practically of it is not there. You know how much a drive would cost that is capable of transferring at 1.5GB/s? The fastest Revo X2 drives don't come even close.

Extremely limited use right now as far as storage goes. However, the multifunction potential is definitely useful.

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I'd beg to differ, especially since this is not limited to storage drives, but rather encompasses USB,Firewire, DVI/HDMI/Display Port, Ethernet... I have yet to see this in action but willing to bet a Thunderbolt box or hub of some sort will be available to split out ever single connection you have, which would be nice to remove all of those extra ports off of a motherboard so we can have more room for larger chipsets and the like.
Larger chipsets? I think you have the wrong idea...those are getting smaller. I absolutely agree that one cable for doing it all would be very neat, but the question is not just can this hook up to all the different devices but rather can it service all of the same with a single connection (I did not bother looking it up). I would love to be able to plug in a single cable and have all of my I/O handled through it. If something like that can be achieved I would absolutely love this device. In truth, I don't see a reason why it would not be able to be used like that...it just requires that the signals are at different frequencies or encoded differently.
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That is not the point. Even in my post I indicated that setting up RAID-0 arrays could give you enough transfer speed to saturate this interface, but the practically of it is not there. You know how much a drive would cost that is capable of transferring at 1.5GB/s? The fastest Revo X2 drives don't come even close.

Extremely limited use right now as far as storage goes. However, the multifunction potential is definitely useful.

Larger chipsets? I think you have the wrong idea...those are getting smaller. I absolutely agree that one cable for doing it all would be very neat, but the question is not just can this hook up to all the different devices but rather can it service all of the same with a single connection (I did not bother looking it up). I would love to be able to plug in a single cable and have all of my I/O handled through it.
One of the points is to be able to handle multiple devices. In the Engadget article, there's a link to the demo that Intel did way back when. They were driving a "larger than HD" monitor on top of running multiple uncompressed video streams from a RAID array.

They've made it so you CAN stick a monitor input on top of, say, an external drive and have it work flawlessly. I'm intrigued by this; I do hope it takes off, unlike DisplayPort.
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FireWire was kind of a bust!


I work in the video/graphic industry and USB cant come close to the transfer speeds of firewire 800.

Granted USB 3 is out and boasts some interesting speed, this new thunderbolt technology could blow esata/usb/firewire away.

MOST people aren't transferring large files back and forth daily, and/or working/editing from an external drive like myself.. so they usually say things like 'firewire is lame, or gay, USB PWNS' until you rely on fast transfer rates and RELIABLE throughput, you can stick with USB.. I for one am looking forward to this!

My video projects are usually in the 200-600gb range or more, so being able to back all the media up or transfer it quickly so I can work at home is key. Same with shooting in the field. You can fill a 64gb media card very quickly, and when you have 3 cameras doing so there is no time to be 'down' because of data wrangling...

I love PC's but I also love my mac.. dont worry, I'm sure they'll have PCI thunderbolt cards out soon enough for us PC whores!
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One of the points is to be able to handle multiple devices. In the Engadget article, there's a link to the demo that Intel did way back when. They were driving a "larger than HD" monitor on top of running multiple uncompressed video streams from a RAID array.

They've made it so you CAN stick a monitor input on top of, say, an external drive and have it work flawlessly. I'm intrigued by this; I do hope it takes off, unlike DisplayPort.
That would be seriously awesome. I cannot stand the crap-load of cables that I have to run now.
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Larger chipsets? I think you have the wrong idea...those are getting smaller. I absolutely agree that one cable for doing it all would be very neat, but the question is not just can this hook up to all the different devices but rather can it service all of the same with a single connection (I did not bother looking it up). I would love to be able to plug in a single cable and have all of my I/O handled through it. If something like that can be achieved I would absolutely love this device. In truth, I don't see a reason why it would not be able to be used like that...it just requires that the signals are at different frequencies or encoded differently.
What I mean by larger chipsets is chipsets being able to handle more bandwidth. Scale them appropriately since there would be more room on the motherboard.

And the whole point of Thunderbolt IS indeed to use a single connection, as the tech can automatically detect what you're using it for and how to address the data appropriately, so it will automagically handle and HDD, ethernet connection, or whatever else you plug into it without having to worry about monkeying with any software or other hardware.

And, since it can handle existing connections, I think this is a win-win for everyone...well, everyone except cable manufacturers
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