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i've heard ppl saying that the msi 6950's do not unlock anymore (amd's new rev) ... so you might wanna check another brand if you go that route ...
Not looking to unlock.
And Im fairly certain the Twin Frozr IIs dont unlock anyway because they are non reference.
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Can't agree, have both my cards unlocked, overclocked and they haven't had any issues even at 5760 x 1200. 6xxx seems great for xfire coming from 2x 5850.
Maybe it was the 5xxx that was having the cross issues. Either way they both make great cards. You should check out tomshardware not sure if I can link it. They reccomend the best card for the diffrent price ranges each month.
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Maybe it was the 5xxx that was having the cross issues. Either way they both make great cards. You should check out tomshardware not sure if I can link it. They reccomend the best card for the diffrent price ranges each month.
Thought I'd take the liberty to post that site and it's links off Tom's Hardware.

Best Graphics Cards For The Money: February 2011

1 – February Updates.
2 – Best PCIe Card: $100 And Under .
3 – Best PCIe Card: $100 To $175 .
4 – Best PCIe Card: $175 To $275 .
5 – Best PCIe Card: $275 To $400 .
6 – Best PCIe Card: $400 And Up .
7 – Graphics Card Hierarchy Chart

Off subject - on the Hierachy chart the GTX 580 was #1 Can you tell I'm a proud owner.
     
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The AMD 6 series seems to be improved significantly from the crappy 5 series from what I have read.

However, I'm not really comfortable with AMD's driver's team where they never fix the 5870 quite right and sometimes break a somewhat better driver release by a new one. So, it's not always safe to say that it's only a software issue because it will be fixed.

Still, that was me coming the 5870 after 12 driver releases, they may have likely fixed it in the 6 series.
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Somewhat fixed for one but not others.....I had an AMD 6870 in December early January before switching myself. The reason I switched was mostly for more raw power but what drove me to do so was in driver 10.12. Whenever I would come back from my computer powering down to save power I'd get BSOD 3 out of 10 times approximately. I'd never ever dealt with BSOD before and I must say it's not a good feeling. I did some research and found it to be the latest driver AMD put out. I wasn't the only one experiencing this. At the time I was about to crossfire the 6870 but went powerful single card solution instead. AMD recently addressed and fixed this issue in the last 11.1 driver release to their credit.

Now having said that Nvidia also comes across driver bugs as well. Neither is perfect. Nvidia had an SLI issue and still might have. Since I'm not in SLI mode yet I don't know if this last driver solved it. My point is no matter which company you choose they are going to have their issues. To many variables in todays computing to get it right while making upgrades to improve your not going to break something else.

Most importantly is that both companies take it serious and do their best with driver teams to address the issues while improving performance 24/7.

AMD seems to scale better in crossfire than Nvidia does in SLI getting better gains on their second card. Nvidia seems to have more raw power compared to their AMD counter part they are in competition with single card vs single card.

Each end user has different components, psu's etc which make each individual's needs to vary. This poster PhilWrir will do better with AMD 6950 given his 500 watt psu than he will with a GTX 570.

I'm not a fan boy of either company because I've owned both and frankly am in the middle of the road. I also thrive on the fact that there is competition between Nvidia and AMD driving better performance cards and lower pricing as they compete and we reap the benefits as they try their hardest to gain our loyalty and or ownership.

It will be a sad day when only one companies left standing to rule them all.
     
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Ive always liked Nvidia for the extra features and abilities and the raw power.
But AMD/ATi has always been really good to me with price performance and staying power. Nvidia cards seem to loose relative power and speed very fast as new generations come out.
The 275 is still powerful but its overshadowed heavily by newer cards.
The 4870 is old but still does crazy well in everything I throw at it (other computer) and is still seen in many circles as very powerful.

For me its not an issue of liking Nvidia or AMD, its an issue of deciding between 2 cards I want the same amount for similar reasons.

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Thought I'd take the liberty to post that site and it's links off Tom's Hardware.

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Off subject - on the Hierachy chart the GTX 580 was #1 Can you tell I'm a proud owner.
Im afraid I cant take those links seriously when they do nothing at all for anyone who knows anything about video cards.
All they do is name an AMD Card and an Nvidia card in the same price range and call them both "Recommended Buys."

Thats completely worthless for making a decision.
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Ive always liked Nvidia for the extra features and abilities and the raw power.
But AMD/ATi has always been really good to me with price performance and staying power. Nvidia cards seem to loose relative power and speed very fast as new generations come out.
The 275 is still powerful but its overshadowed heavily by newer cards.
The 4870 is old but still does crazy well in everything I throw at it (other computer) and is still seen in many circles as very powerful.

For me its not an issue of liking Nvidia or AMD, its an issue of deciding between 2 cards I want the same amount for similar reasons.



Im afraid I cant take those links seriously when they do nothing at all for anyone who knows anything about video cards.
All they do is name an AMD Card and an Nvidia card in the same price range and call them both "Recommended Buys."

Thats completely worthless for making a decision.
It's the sad truth. Pretty much anyone could've come up with those lists.
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Im afraid I cant take those links seriously when they do nothing at all for anyone who knows anything about video cards.
All they do is name an AMD Card and an Nvidia card in the same price range and call them both "Recommended Buys."

Thats completely worthless for making a decision.
True it's just a suggested list from Tom's Hardware website. The previous poster made mention to it so I found the info and posted it.

I do wonder why if you knew so much about video cards did you bother to post?
     
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True it's just a suggested list from Tom's Hardware website. The previous poster made mention to it so I found the info and posted it.

I do wonder why if you knew so much about video cards did you bother to post?
Im looking for input from OCN because im struggling to decide.
I know enough about both cards to decide I want them, I'm just at an impasse in my own head about the merits of getting one or the other and im hoping OCN can help me figure it out or at least give me ideas I haven't already considered.

And im in no way a Video Card buff, But I know enough about logic and the hardware involved to know that those lists are worthless for making a decision when someone is already informed.
If I had been "out of the game" for a few years those lists would be a good starting point but I have not stopped paying attention to computers for over a decade.
Those lists just say "For price X there is a great AMD GPU and there is also a Great Nvidia GPU." Thats not helpful at all for deciding what to choose, its only helpful for showing whats on the market right now.

A "Suggested List" would have some kind of a conclusion about what to buy at any given price point and why to buy it. It wouldn't just list everything good/new on the market and leave it at that. Even a little "Buy the Nvidia for this use and the AMD for this use" section would qualify.

Any other interpretation of the information in those articles is incorrect.

And my dismissal is not about your input, just those articles in particular.
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Fair enough.
     
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