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Since we know that the GeForce GTX 560 Ti only becomes competitive when you overclock it, we need to look at more overclocked video cards out-of-the-box to see how it compares. We have a couple of overclocked GTX 560 Ti’s in SLI to show you what the GTX 560 Ti can do in comparison to Radeon HD 6870 CrossFireX and Radeon HD 6950 2GB CrossFireX.
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I'm kinda surprised the CF 6870s are sometimes outperforming the 560s. I just figured the 560s would be better all around.

Also, not surprised at all about the temperatures. They're comparing a twin frozr to stock cooling. I would hope there's a big difference there.

I'm looking at this thinking the 6xxx line is a better buy than the 560 at least. Perhaps the 570 has a better price point.
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well it's SLi configuration. some scale better than the other. and drivers optimized for certain games for SLI, CF configuration
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HardCP always has done such a bad job on reviewing imo. He looks for a solid medium of performance on the cards tested and then throws in extra enhancements to visual quality. But, that does not mean that 16 CSAA is equivalent to AMD's 12X MOAA. In general, I find 4x MOAA matches at least double "normal" AA.

I really don't think his approach is valid.
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Well, yeah, but the only game that the 560s saw a big boost in was Civ5 with all that tessellation. I had CF/SLI in mind when I posted as well... The 6xxx line has shown quite excellent scaling.

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HardCP always has done such a bad job on reviewing imo. He looks for a solid medium of performance on the cards tested and then throws in extra enhancements to visual quality. But, that does not mean that 16 CSAA is equivalent to AMD's 12X MOAA. In general, I find 4x MOAA matches at least double "normal" AA.

I really don't think his approach is valid.
The first graph is only about the highest settings you can get playable frames at. The second graph is "apples to apples" and uses the same settings.
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The second graph is "apples to apples" and uses the same settings.
That's the thing. It isn't apples to apples. 16x CSAA does not match 12x MOAA. It likely matches ~8x MOAA. It gives a false impression of the visual quality and performance between the cards. Furthermore, not a single review site should use AA on an AMD card anymore. MOAA is just better, with significantly better performance for equivalent visual quality.

When reviewing the performance of the cards you put them in their best possible settings. When comparing cards, you place them in the exact same visual presentation. If 4x MOAA looks just as good as the standard 8x AA, then put the AMD card at those settings. :\\

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Edited by Domino - 2/24/11 at 1:16pm
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I've stopped reading HardOCP's video card reviews because of the different in-game settings they use for different video cards. AA levels don't match sometimes, AA type, sometimes even resolution isn't the same for weaker cards in a few of their older reviews that I saw.
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I'm kinda surprised the CF 6870s are sometimes outperforming the 560s. I just figured the 560s would be better all around.

Also, not surprised at all about the temperatures. They're comparing a twin frozr to stock cooling. I would hope there's a big difference there.

I'm looking at this thinking the 6xxx line is a better buy than the 560 at least. Perhaps the 570 has a better price point.
Yeah 2 out of 5 the 6870s even beat the 6950s in CF. 3 out of 5 the 560s win and 1 out of 5 the 6950s win.
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LOL! HARDOCP your a fail party!
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I've stopped reading HardOCP's video card reviews because of the different in-game settings they use for different video cards. AA levels don't match sometimes, AA type, sometimes even resolution isn't the same for weaker cards in a few of their older reviews that I saw.
If people would read the whole page rather than just the first five words, they would notice that they do an apples-to-apples test at the highest resolution that all the cards will support. It's not particularly hard to extrapolate relative performance, especially when the numbers are right in front of you.
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