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Wow, I wasn't disappointed. Thanks for all the quick replies.

To address a few things:

1. The rack mount is really just the bosses' preference since they believe that it would fit better in the tiny space that they want to put it (still decent airflow though) and still gives room for adding another later on if needed. Plus, it seems that the H700 is only available at that level or higher, which adds support for self-encrypting drives (which is something they'd like) and better performance. It does add to the cost some, but it's not a deal breaker for them.
Up to you. Though if you called Dell or a reseller, the feature-set available for a Txxx-series server, except for the T110, should be the same as the Rxxx-series.

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2. As for the drives, I suppose you're right ComGaurds, but I have another idea. The concept of the nearline SAS drives is essentially SATA platters, spindle, and head with the SAS interface and I'd assume motor to get a 24/7 runtime with slightly better speed and IOPS than SATA at about 1/3 the cost of true SAS drives. What about just using those in the whole setup (4x 1TB Seagates in raid10 instead of the Cheetahs)?
Seagate Constellation, or WD RAID-Edition drives, whichever works. I'd go with max spindle count though.

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3. For warranties, we'd have Dell hardware support on everything but the hard drives and ram we'd place in (already looked into it), which the Seagate drives have a 5 year manuf. warranty and the ram a limited lifetime manuf. warranty. Both with decent companies to work with. SBS 2011 is really the only area that we might have trouble covering. I am downplaying my abilities some (because I don't want to become the dedicated IT person), so I can handle a fair amount of issues (though hypervisor is new territory), but I'm still planning on speaking with the local vendor that we currently use for e-mail to see if they offer a per-visit service. Though their last quote for a server was a few years ago, it was an overpriced and badly spec'd IBM with an extra $1200 for just being the middleman.
The only possible issue here is if somehow the RAID controller screws up, and you're using non-Dell drives. Troubleshooting that may take a little longer. Again, like I said, shop around for Dell resellers - you should be able to find one that can give you a price with drives included that is comparable to buying the drives yourself.

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4. Mostly @ the _beast. Definitely a possibility and worth looking into. Any opinions on this route? I'm guessing it's not going to be push-email, but is it free?
Google Apps Standard is free. You'd have to connect to it using IMAP4 or POP3.

If you upgrade to Google Apps Premier, then you get full Outlook/Exchange sync connectivity.

It's like $50/year-per-user or something like that... Not too bad, in my opinion.
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4. Mostly @ the _beast. Definitely a possibility and worth looking into. Any opinions on this route? I'm guessing it's not going to be push-email, but is it free?
As Com said above, there are free and paid options depending on what you need.

The free version means POP/IMAP connectivity, but still does Push, calendar sync etc with mobiles (but no calendars with Outlook, although there are apps that will do this for you - but they may not be free for commercial use).

Google Premier does all the Outlook sync stuff, and also gives you Groups, which would (might) mean you avoid Sharepoint licences etc, and all your local server needs to do is filesharing & AD. The hardware requriements would be that much lower you could then get 2 lower spec servers instead for some redundancy. Let Google handle the more involved stuff for you - if you aren't the IT department you don't want to make IT your responsibility - sooner or later something will break and it will end up being your responsibility to fix it...
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Ya know, at first, I honestly felt a little threatened by the idea that all my research would be wasted (of course, knowledge never really is) , but then I just had to accept that using gmail is actually an amazing option for us.

We are currently paying about that (actually, slightly more) much for the local place to provide basic pop3/smtp service with no extras. As long as the connectivity features work in outlook via the sync program (as they state), it would definitely be a step up. Though, how quickly are messages sync'd with the premium service? Is it instantly or does it check at a preset period like pop3? And how would we go about migrating our files from the other business' servers to google's?

As you said, the hardware could be considerably less (though they may still want the option to handle it themselves later), but the real savings will be in software and licensing. To stick with the easy setup/maintain, SBS 2011 essentials looks mighty tempting at half the cost of standard with no CAL requirements (almost $1000 savings right there). Plus, we could drop down a level on anti-virus to make it that much cheaper. Not to mention the fewer replacements for a not nearly as heavily used machine.

Although I was looking forward to learning more through this, it's not worth it at the company's risk.

Revised hardware will probably be closer to the T410 or T610 with PERC H700 (according to what ComGuards said) depending if hot-swap and having the hot spare is really needed for just a file server/AD. It may be that we just have to use the mirror after a failure and wait until the end of the day to change a dead drive. Again, you're probably right about the reseller cost. Though is there a search or list of certified dell resellers? If there is I'm having trouble finding it.

As for a second DNS, is it really needed in our small setup and is it really that prone to going down?

Thanks for all the help the_beast and ComGuard.
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It's worth noting that Google Premier also has a trial - so you can leave what you have running and give it a shot, and see how it works for you. Try out Outlook sync, see what you can migrate, have a play with Groups, Calendars, etc. I haven't used Premier myself (I do use Free though), but I have heard great things about it from people who only use 5-20 or so email accounts.

No idea how quick the Outlook Sync is, but I suspect it will be just like using Exchange. I use Gmail on my Windows Mobile phone, and I get Push emails through usually within a few seconds of them being sent.

Regarding the second AD/DNS server - it isn't that prone to going down, but if it does your whole network will go down too. It's worth having a secondary box (even if the hardware is pretty crappy) just in case...
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I will definitely do that. If we get the hardware sooner rather than later, I can play with the essentials rc as well and get familiar with it to not waste any time working out the kinks once it's released.

We've got plenty of crappy hardware lying around, so how about an easy/free dns that could work with AD? Any suggestions?
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Also keep in mind that buying all the ram & drives from someone other than dell, gives dell a lot of wiggle room to balk on providing support in the event of a hardware failure. Tough to diagnose issues when dell tells you to take all the non-dell RAM out before they will go any further, leaving you empty.

Definitely keep a cold spare drive also, since you won't have NBD service from dell on those.
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I will definitely do that. If we get the hardware sooner rather than later, I can play with the essentials rc as well and get familiar with it to not waste any time working out the kinks once it's released.

We've got plenty of crappy hardware lying around, so how about an easy/free dns that could work with AD? Any suggestions?
Your second DNS server should be a domain controller as well. For security purposes, you should be configuring your DNS zones to be Active-Directory-Integrated zones. Your client machines can't be using any DNS servers other than those that are registered in Active Directory.

You can have a standalone root DNS server on your network (which I think is pointless) and have your AD-DNS servers configured to use that server as a forwarder. But no real reason to.

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Also keep in mind that buying all the ram & drives from someone other than dell, gives dell a lot of wiggle room to balk on providing support in the event of a hardware failure. Tough to diagnose issues when dell tells you to take all the non-dell RAM out before they will go any further, leaving you empty.

Definitely keep a cold spare drive also, since you won't have NBD service from dell on those.
The cold-spare drive is not necessarily as big of a requirement in this scenario. If you're buying drives from a company that has advanced-exchange option, then you can be good to go. If your RAID array suffers two drive failures in the span of time it takes to replace one drive, then you have a bigger issue to track

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In general, if you don't want to be stuck with the "IT" role in the company, you should just buy everything from Dell. At least from a hardware perspective.
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So is there a way to setup a free AD-DNS or is that only via windows?

I'm really hoping that you're right and we'll be able to find a reseller that can give us a competitive price and solve both issues.all the hardware/warranty issues.
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So is there a way to setup a free AD-DNS or is that only via windows?

I'm really hoping that you're right and we'll be able to find a reseller that can give us a competitive price and solve both issues.all the hardware/warranty issues.
That's only with Windows, if you are intent on running Microsoft Active Directory.


With regards to resellers, the general idea from the reseller perspective is that hardware is cheap - they make their money off of a support contract with you. So that's up to you to decide how you want to proceed. If they can get you to sign a support contract with them, they'll make back in the support contract term what they gave you as discount on the hardware.

I do strongly suggest you outsource your IT support though, since you don't want to get saddled with IT roles.
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So from what you say and what I've tried to look up, it has to be a windows server OS to run a domain controller with AD-DNS, correct? If so, is there a way to just get a single 2003 or 2008 license without any CALs?

And I understand that the file server and any inter-computer communications would go down including the DHCP if the primary DC went down, but what else? The biggest pain of that would be loosing access to any work for that day. We're going to have our current NAS backing up the data nightly and could just switch the DHCP back on in the router to get working if there were a major issue with the server.

And it looks like the closest dell partner is 60 miles away, but they serve nationally and focus on small/medium businesses. That doesn't give us a lot to shop around with, but at least there's the possibility.

As always, thanks for all the help. We've almost got this nailed down (loosely, of course biggrin.gif).
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