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this is not about gaming performance, its just about the really bad performance the whole fermi series delivers in lots of 3d applications.

here a conversation with NVIDIA support:
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Support: so some bad news, i just went through some reported issues in our database and it looks like the low performance for apps such as Blender, Cinema 4D and Maya all have the same issues due to it being a hardware issue on the card itself, and something to do with 2 sided lighting

Andy: ahh
Andy: is there anything to be done?

Support: so if they are able to find a way to resolve this on a driver side which im not sure if they will or not, so for now there isnt a way to resolve this, unless you were to use a Quadro based graphics card

Andy : hmm
Andy :isnt quadro the same architecture?
Andy : just with better drivers etc.

Support: it is yes, but for some reason it doesn't have this same hardware limitation that the 400 series card has, not sure why specifically, its a little over my head

Andy : ah ok
Andy : so i just wait for a driver update then?

Support: this is only present on our Fermi 400 series cards and was not present on previous series cards too
Support: Pretty much all i can suggest, that or use a different card in the mean time

Andy : is it present on the 500 series?

Support: I didn't see anything mentioning the 500 series in our DB but i can only assume it is since based off of the same reference design as far as i know

so can anyone explain me why the GTX 480/580 are performing so bad compared to the quadros if they use the same architecture?
and why the 580 performs even worse than the 480?


performace testing done by german computer magazine CT
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post #2 of 12
weirdly i never knew this so iwould like to know too
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more buffers
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i really dont think its about the buffers, otherwise the fermis would devestate my old 9800GTX... but they cant even touch the performance of that old card.
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Quadro and Mainstream gpu's some kind of marketing scam? Maybe the Quadro is a softmod away from blowing other GPU's out of the water..or vice versa. $3000 for OpenGL performance is strange..to me anyways.
    
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It is exactly drivers.

The hardware for most Quadros is identical to the mainstream counterpart. (So much so that many Geforces can be flashed to Quadros and vice versa.)

For the newer Fermi cards, I think there are some GPGPU parts of the core that are enabled on the Quadros but not the Geforces. (ECC and some other jazz IIRC)
Correct me if I'm wrong.
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post #7 of 12
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so it looks like its possible to run quadro drivers on normal cards according to this thread: http://www.overclock.net/nvidia-drivers-overclocking-software/898886-new-nvidia-drivers.html

but as i dont have a fermi card anymore i can not test if it really brings the opengl performance to the card.
so if someone with a fermi card is willing to help and run a specific benchmark with quadro drivers would be awesome.
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I know I read that the cards are normally the same thing, with different drives to handle applications better.
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They used to handicap the FP16 performance on GF100. I also read some indications that GF110 traded some computer performance but I could not find any specifics as to what they changed about it.
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post #10 of 12
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so if someone would give this benchmark a try would be great.
http://www.file-upload.net/download-3244256/blender-2.49b-benchmark.zip.html

best would be to have a benchmark with the normal driver and one with the quadro driver so we can compare the results:D

heres an result from my 9800GTX, so who can beat that with his fermi?^^
Code:
Benchmark Results, Screen Size 1600 x 1181

Overall Score (FPS)
gl : 34.0182 fps
render : 2.38 sec

Spin wireframe view, subsurf monkey, 4 subsurf levels : 164.5061 fps
Spin solid view, subsurf monkey, 4 subsurf levels : 79.5598 fps
Spin solid view, 1000 monkes : 17.2866 fps
Spin wire view, 1000 monkes : 45.0147 fps
OpenGL image load & free, 256x256 px : 636.0204 fps
OpenGL image load & free, 512x512 px : 158.9910 fps
OpenGL image load & free, 1024x1024 px : 38.6891 fps
OpenGL image load & free, 2048x2048 px : 9.7325 fps
Raytracing with AO and area light, 4 threads : 1.79 sec
Shadowbuffer light, 8 threads : 2.97 sec
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