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It shows how messed up their priorities are. They will spend all kinds of time and effort on some small penny ante player, which is fine because they might be committing a crime - but then they won't spend ten cents securing the border, to keep out illegals and drug cartels. They spent billons on setting up Homeland Security, and have nothing to show for it except for airport fondlings. Even if they did catch all of the criminals, juries will continue to put innocent people in jail on the most specious of planted evidence; while letting go of mass murders because they happened to have a suave lawyer...

AES encryption can entirely be hacked, and the NSA has the equipment to do it. But then, the real criminals don't bother with such garbage, they are into stegnography, which can be broken with a lot of luck, but not in a timely manner. With high speed internet, AES is dead, because messages can be buried inside megs and megs of data, which simply choke supercomputer attacks.
Edited by EvanPitts - 2/27/11 at 10:10am
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Well I'm a digital forensics student, good article but nothing new to me. I think its an exciting field of study; this past summer my team participated in a cyber security challenge sponsored by the DoD and one of our challenges was to break BitLocker encryption - no one completed that challenge that I know of
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Quote:
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AES encryption can entirely be hacked, and the NSA has the equipment to do it. But then, the real criminals don't bother with such garbage, they are into stegnography, which can be broken with a lot of luck, but not in a timely manner. With high speed internet, AES is dead, because messages can be buried inside megs and megs of data, which simply choke supercomputer attacks.
I wouldn't call AES dead until someone besides the gov. can break it. But you are right about steganography becoming more widely used. I have broken steg within .bmp and .wav files, but check out this article about steg with .mp4's. Detecting the steg is entirely possible, but trying to crack something like this gives me a headache!
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You kids have no idea what you're talking about.


You never comment on anything you know about anyway. Instead, you make broad assumptions and come spewing your opinions about law enforcement and what you think "the law" should be.
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Stalking in a good way. That's a new one.
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You kids have no idea what you're talking about.


You never comment on anything you know about anyway. Instead, you make broad assumptions and come spewing your opinions about law enforcement and what you think "the law" should be.
That's a fairly broad generalization there (both the part about 'kids', and about not knowing what we're talking about). I'd say a small percentage of the members on OCN know what they're talking about, and/or are not kids.
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Why is this news? Cops and robbers have been running around this same bush for 3000 years. Give or take. It would be news if they weren't trying.
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Interesting...
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Weedvender View Post
I see messenger pigeons making a comeback. Attach a small explosive on them just in case.
ROFL....That was almost sig worthy. That was a good one.

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Originally Posted by damian5000 View Post
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In recent years we were spending $10 BILLION to combat marijuana alone.
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Yet they (female dog) about giving that much money towards Education or Other things that will prosper our society. But they won't hesitate to spend it on other things. Yeah that's how they "create jobs". By allowing drugs to come in and then open the doors to new DEA,FBI & police cadets, to "capture" the drug "dealers" (them being the biggest deal in the world, is excluded of course).

This is what gets me. "uncle Sam" spends oodles of money locking people up, making/buying guns & building prisons (all the while they can't even catch a cold with out a warrant). Then they turn around and act like they're not the ones perpetuating the crime. They break laws when they unlawfully do something, just to catch a person that's unlawfully doing something? So two wrongs makes them right

Anyway thanks for the post, I was wondering why two weeks has gone by without some "agency" doing some covert "crime fighting", point guns in peoples faces, tactics.
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I wouldn't call AES dead until someone besides the gov. can break it.
Hackers in Germany broke it many years ago, using network computers - though not in a timely basis. Even Rivest stated that AES is a dead end, because in a world of wide bandwidths, techniques like chaffe and winnow can simply overwhelm cracking methods by pure heaps of data,

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But you are right about steganography becoming more widely used. I have broken steg within .bmp and .wav files, but check out this article about steg with .mp4's. Detecting the steg is entirely possible, but trying to crack something like this gives me a headache!
Steg is much like the KGB rifling through the dumps of the Third World, piecing together shredded old Faxes the American's left over. Or like when the CIA bugged the undersea telephone cable in Leningrad and taped all 10,000 channels of audio. It can be broken, but it is a mind numbing process. And think about Steg if they encrypt the message inside it, to add even more mind numbing cracking?

I don't think there is a good enumeration on how much Steg is going on in the world, not enough hard proof that people are using it - but it is certainly a difficult thing to manage if it becomes widespread, especially as broadband becomes more common. And I always wondered about how much Steg is going on in those bin Laden videos?
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