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About the AA, i have 2way sli 580s and i play 2560x1600 and with aa even at 4x metro and crysis are completely unplayable.. maybe its because you guys are only playing at 1080p... i was really disappointed at first, but with aa off they rape so hard, and since my rez is way higher then 1080 it looks amazing
That's because Metro 2033 already needs a crapload of geometry power, the ROPs will just choke with any level of AA on top of it. Crysis just eats too much VRAM especially at that resolution.

Aside from those two games GF100 and GF110 really shine at AA and tesselation and have superior geometry performance over their competitors. That's what they were designed for.
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Wow this guy wont quit, Newer cards do not have a hard time with AA. My single gtx480 maxes Bad Company 2 with 16xAA no problem. Your gtx295 couldnt even come close. With two gtx480s it does 32xAA with no slow down. You know why because they dont have the bottlenecks caused by outdated hardware and video memory. Its ok if you dont know about hardware, Its polite to ask then pretend you know what your talking about and look like a jacka**.

Well said pioneerisloud, I didnt have the patience to say all that, Im happy you agree Metro 2033 is one of the most stunning/immersive games I have played. When you play it make sure DOF is off.
My god please I will tell you again! Everything you say is untrue because you just have no idea what you are talking about.
My GTX 295 plays Battlefield at the exact same settings with 60 FPS avg.
I can really relinquish your posts please stop posting to my thread it has become too exhausting reading this nonsense.


Everybody else ...

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[*]How would you like for us to show you the microstutter, when it doesn't show up in framerates? You could be getting 60 FPS, but it'll feel like 15. There's no possible way to record this, short of a camera. FRAP's won't do it, as it just records each frame individually.
03:29 that is what it would look like.


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People look I will list the facts for you.

I already have 1 x GTX 295 I have never encountered any problems with it and it pretty much maxes most games out.
I purchased the Extended Ascension and some WC gear lately so I am a little tight on money.

The next Hardware upgrade I will do is going to include Ivy & Kepler .
I just want to upgrade my GPU so it will hold out until Kepler.
Even tough my budget is tight I could afford a single 580.
But I also could get the GTX 295 from ebay for 66$.

The question is if it is reasonable to buy a single card (580) that needs to be heavily overclocked in order to play at decent settings.

I personally don´t see much difference between DX10 and DX11 and when games really start to take advantage of it and actually fully use it Kepler will already be released so that is no valid point to justify the purchase of a 580.

Another arguement was that I could get one now and the other one later...I would never do that becasue the power consumption of on averagely overclocked 580 without power limiter (to enable max oc) already draws over 350Watts...SLI=700 Watts? lol no thanks

I wanna put the card under water too....so 450€ for the 580 and 100€ for the water block = 550€ .
I could get the GTX 295 for 50-100€ ...2x Waterblocks for 200€ = 360€

Another question is if I would really benefit from those extra 200€ and how I could spend it elsewhere.

Like I said before every card has problems with AA at high resolution not just the GTX 295 Quad

As in terms of Micro Stutter,Scaling Porblems ..I posted to many forums and most of them say they have never experienced those things.
But that does not mean you are wrong...I am very certain these problems do happen but not as much as it is stated here.
Nonetheless it is a valid point that should be acounted.

The factors which really bother me is the power consumption and the incompatibility.
As it turns out I was wrong and write at the same time xD
Every game that supports SLI automatically supports Quad SLI that is a fact....but what I did not consider when saying this ...is that even though the game supports it that does not necessarily mean that they will use each card efficientlySo that is also a big factor which worrysme.

In conclusion...GTX 295 Quad has more power than a single 580.
GTX 580 might create a smoother gameplay experience because of its updated technology.

Still it costs much more,will be disposed of anyway when Kepler arrives(in my case),has to be extremely overclocked to achieve decent FPS due to its single chip.

I am not sure but I think I will just sell the GTX 295 and go for a single 580.

That just leaves 2 questions open.

1.)Which manufacturer of GTX 580´s has the best documented overclocking ability?

2.)What is the highest that is known on a 580?
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My god please I will tell you again! Everything you say is untrue because you just have no idea what you are talking about.
My GTX 295 plays Battlefield at the exact same settings with 60 FPS avg.
I can really relinquish your posts please stop posting to my thread it has become too exhausting reading this nonsense.


Everybody else ...



03:29 that is what it would look like.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHPtbDz7xgE


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People look I will list the facts for you.

I already have 1 x GTX 295 I have never encountered any problems with it and it pretty much maxes most games out.
I purchased the Extended Ascension and some WC gear lately so I am a little tight on money.

The next Hardware upgrade I will do is going to include Ivy & Kepler .
I just want to upgrade my GPU so it will hold out until Kepler.
Even tough my budget is tight I could afford a single 580.
But I also could get the GTX 295 from ebay for 66$.

The question is if it is reasonable to buy a single card (580) that needs to be heavily overclocked in order to play at decent settings.

I personally don´t see much difference between DX10 and DX11 and when games really start to take advantage of it and actually fully use it Kepler will already be released so that is no valid point to justify the purchase of a 580.

Another arguement was that I could get one now and the other one later...I would never do that becasue the power consumption of on averagely overclocked 580 without power limiter (to enable max oc) already draws over 350Watts...SLI=700 Watts? lol no thanks

I wanna put the card under water too....so 450€ for the 580 and 100€ for the water block = 550€ .
I could get the GTX 295 for 50-100€ ...2x Waterblocks for 200€ = 360€

Another question is if I would really benefit from those extra 200€ and how I could spend it elsewhere.

Like I said before every card has problems with AA at high resolution not just the GTX 295 Quad

As in terms of Micro Stutter,Scaling Porblems ..I posted to many forums and most of them say they have never experienced those things.
But that does not mean you are wrong...I am very certain these problems do happen but not as much as it is stated here.
Nonetheless it is a valid point that should be acounted.

The factors which really bother me is the power consumption and the incompatibility.
As it turns out I was wrong and write at the same time xD
Every game that supports SLI automatically supports Quad SLI that is a fact....but what I did not consider when saying this ...is that even though the game supports it that does not necessarily mean that they will use each card efficientlySo that is also a big factor which worrysme.

In conclusion...GTX 295 Quad has more power than a single 580.
GTX 580 might create a smoother gameplay experience because of its updated technology.

Still it costs much more,will be disposed of anyway when Kepler arrives(in my case),has to be extremely overclocked to achieve decent FPS due to its single chip.

I am not sure but I think I will just sell the GTX 295 and go for a single 580.

That just leaves 2 questions open.

1.)Which manufacturer of GTX 580´s has the best documented overclocking ability?

2.)What is the highest that is known on a 580?
I think Asus and MSI ones clock pretty high. If EVGA does the same as with their GTX 400 series cards they just bin them so that the best GPUs are sold as SSC or FTW.

I believe some 580s near 1 GHz or at least 900.
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This thread should answer those 2 questions
http://www.overclock.net/nvidia/8909...ners-club.html
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You don't need to touch anything on a 580 to have smooth gameplay, your assuming the only way you'll go to a single card is overclocked past 350W+ power consumption, which isn't the case. Each card is different. You won't automatically get a card that will hit 1Ghz, and if your the kind of person who will continue RMA'ing to get a card that will, I have pity. Getting a 580 to 900Mhz will decimate all, and is a much more realistic goal then pushing to have an insane OC. Look at the Asus, especially the model outfitted with that ginormous triple-slot cooler

The 570 is much cheaper, and would be a good middle-ground.
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I am not sure yet.

I will decide on wheter or not I will get the 295 for 60$.

And Quad 295 has 2 x 896 VRam that is what the guys in pureoverclock.net say.

1 295 has only 896MB but Quad provides 2 x 896 MB VideoRam

Editoe all GTX 580 have Voltage Controllers to do Volt Mods?
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I am not sure yet.

I will decide on wheter or not I will get the 295 for 60$.

And Quad 295 has 2 x 896 VRam that is what the guys in pureoverclock.net say.

1 295 has only 896MB but Quad provides 2 x 896 MB VideoRam

Editoe all GTX 580 have Voltage Controllers to do Volt Mods?
Why get keplar? Get the gtx 580 sli and grab maxwell when it is released... and if you have your heart set on keplar, then why even waste your time with fermi?
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mine were both golden. sold them at 350$.
Mine was similar. Though I stopped a bit earlier and upped the shader a crapton. I thing I stopped at 712/1700/1400 or something like that. Shoulda kept the card... epic beyond all reason... >.<
     
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Why get keplar? Get the gtx 580 sli and grab maxwell when it is released... and if you have your heart set on keplar, then why even waste your time with fermi?
That is a very good point^^

I will tell you why.


1.)Maxwell will be released approximately in 2014,until then there will be no technology on the performance level of Kepler.

2.)I now have a GTX 295 which is still a monster card but alone it is just not fit for upcoming titles like Assassins Creed Brotherhood,Shogun and especially Crysis 2. That is why I want an upgrade to play these games at good settings and hold out until Kepler.

3.)Kepler is bound to have 3 times more efficient power consumption/performance level than Fermi. Which is one point why I want to get one.The other one is already mentioned in 1.)

4.)The only ways that seem reasonable to me as an upgrade would either be a cheap used secon 295 for Quad SLI or a GTX 580.
I am not sure what I wanna get yet.But I have 10 pages of people telling me to get the 580^^.

But one thing that is certainly untrue is that Quad SLI 295 has only 896 Vram...the guys from Pureoverclock.net said Quad 295 have 2 x 896 MB

Edit: Please I need precise anwers to those questions

1.)Does any GTX 580 have a Voltage Controller?
2.)I know I asked before but I need to be sure.....which brand has been documented to overclock the best?

Edited by Kung Pow - 2/28/11 at 10:35am
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