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Stop trying to teach this guy, He's a complete idiot and doesn't understand anything we have been telling him. Stop posting on this thread.
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only read the 7th page but I just had to post


and really the GTX590 is going to have 2 cores each stronger then the GTX295 and they will scale much better dont you think it was a little far to say its going to be better

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Originally Posted by Kung Pow View Post
You might have more Vram than me but that stands in no relation to our performance difference.

Like I said before the scaling arguement is antiqued.
With current drivers a Quad SLI GTX 295 Setup will have no problems with scaling,AA or Microstuttering.

And to repeat myself again..DX11 has absolutely no difference to DX10...there may be some improvements but they are just to marginal to even consider buying a card that costs 4 times more and won´t provide the same power.

The only arguement I have to agree with is the power consumption.
Yes the power consumption will be huge and that is a factor that still leaves me undecided.

But the price,performance and overall gain is just impossible to overlook.
GTX 295 Quad SLI will just have more performance than a GTX 580 will ever have no matter how high it is overclocked and that at stock clocks.
If I max overclock the Quad SLI System it is untouchable ...no card out there is fast enough.

And the DX11 factor is just stupid and redundant considering the power a Quad SLI setup will bring ..espeacially for that price.

Check out my #58 the videos will explain it to you further
it doesnt matter how good the drivers are the scaling still sucks
even if you had even better rivers then NV got now the scaling with 4 cores would still be meaningless .

even newer cards that got way better scaling like the GTX480 almost get nothing buy adding a 4th core

even the 3rd core isnt adding allot of power to your system.



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Originally Posted by Kung Pow View Post
First off you didn´t do a grammar error what you did was far worsexD



Look it is all about money!

I wanna save money and still have performance.
And the best way to do that is Quad SLI.
No card out there not the GTX 580 or even the 590 is able to touch the performance of a 295 QUAD SLI system.

Pl don´t make me repeat myself every new site...AA,Scaling aand MS is no problem due to new drivers!!!!!!!!!!!
And compatibility also is no problem because every game that supports SLI automatically supports Quad SLI!!!!

The only thing I have been asking you people to help me with for 3 sites is to recommend sites platforms and online shops that sell used 295 chips with a waterblock for a max 160€/221$.

Please just concentrate on that
its not the best way its the worst if you ask me

if you think DX10 is good enough why do you need more power dont get a newer card ?

their is no DX10 game that can challenge the GTX295
the hardest games to run is crysis1 and metro2033 and I ran the with by GTX285 2GB just fine.

people whom are buying a 4 core setup most times want the best but way get a setup with so much power when you cant get use to that power.
you will run most DX10-9 games maxout on FPS way more then your screen is capable of... LOL

and most of the new heavy games will use DX11...

your system will need enormous amount of power
and will generate tons of heat


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Originally Posted by Kung Pow View Post
And lol I got this from the link you posted xD

1x 580 scores : 24.658 points in Vantage
My GTX 295 scores: abit over 23.000 in Vantage

Pictures attached

You can imagine what two 295 will do to a 580
benchmark is not a game
2 cores in a banch scamle way way higher then in a game so ofcorse its getting a high score.



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You sure do think highly of those 295s.
+1

LOL the 295n is old and its out performed by newer cards lol
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My
The question is if it is reasonable to buy a single card (580) that needs to be heavily overclocked in order to play at decent settings.
I am running a single 580 and I do not have to overclock it heavily to play at "decent settings". Sure you won't pull 60FPS in every game maxed out but the card possesses so much power already. I run into slow downs (~20-30FPS) in extremely graphical games such as Metro or Crysis with all settings jacked up but the experience is breath taking.

Just my two cents.
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I am running a single 580 and I do not have to overclock it heavily to play at "decent settings". Sure you won't pull 60FPS in every game maxed out but the card possesses so much power already. I run into slow downs (~20-30FPS) in extremely graphical games such as Metro or Crysis with all settings jacked up but the experience is breath taking.

Just my two cents.
+1 I do that without even overclocking it, I think the experience in Metro 2033 at 40 fps (lowest I had was 23 or so, for a brief period of time) is astonishing, running GTX 580 at stock with i7 950 @ 4 GHz as CPU, you just really cant argue DX 11 away imo.
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Jeeze this thread is still going. After that vram argument, it's clear pureoverclock.net needs to be avoided in the future, he knows nothing about scaling. I say Asus, if it doesn't overclock as well as you want, deal with it, nothing is perfect. Just because it's a single chip doesn't mean it's slow, 512 cores on one versus 480 across two, it's clear which one will provide a more stable experience: the one that doesn't need to communicate with it's buddy.
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only read the 7th page but I just had to post


and really the GTX590 is going to have 2 cores each stronger then the GTX295 and they will scale much better dont you think it was a little far to say its going to be better



it doesnt matter how good the drivers are the scaling still sucks
even if you had even better rivers then NV got now the scaling with 4 cores would still be meaningless .

even newer cards that got way better scaling like the GTX480 almost get nothing buy adding a 4th core

even the 3rd core isnt adding allot of power to your system.





its not the best way its the worst if you ask me

if you think DX10 is good enough why do you need more power dont get a newer card ?

their is no DX10 game that can challenge the GTX295
the hardest games to run is crysis1 and metro2033 and I ran the with by GTX285 2GB just fine.

people whom are buying a 4 core setup most times want the best but way get a setup with so much power when you cant get use to that power.
you will run most DX10-9 games maxout on FPS way more then your screen is capable of... LOL

and most of the new heavy games will use DX11...

your system will need enormous amount of power
and will generate tons of heat



benchmark is not a game
2 cores in a banch scamle way way higher then in a game so ofcorse its getting a high score.




+1

LOL the 295n is old and its out performed by newer cards lol

Every single point of yours has already been discussed at least twice but alright I will defend my point again

1.)I personally do not notice any difference between DX10 and DX11.
If you look a few pages back several youtube videos were posted showing DX10 vs DX11 and I just do not see it.
Also by the point games will really be able to take full advantage of DX10 and use it properly Kepler will already be released and that is when I will make my move.

2.)Scaling is a topic that goes to deep we could spend another 10 pages trying to determine who is right so I will list the facts once again.
a.)Yes a Dual Card has a harder time scaling than a single one that is a fact.

b.)What I would like to bring to your attention tough, is that the scaling problems and Micro Stutter regarding the GTX 295 has been greatly exaggerated in this thread as for some posts that tryed to described it , have never been reported characterizing those problems as that suvere.

3.)Leaving all those problems aside, a GTX 295 Quad SLI will always give you more fps than a single GTX 580 regardless of its overclock.

4.)And lastly taking money and benefit into concern, in my case I am not really sure if I will really have an advantage getting the GTX 580 because I will have to sell it on Kepler release anyway.
But still valuing all your oppionions (except SimplytheBest´s whom I multiple times asked not to post to this thread anymore because of his ignorance!!!!) it is also a fact that the GTX 580 has more RAM saying it is better because it is newer is dumb,because what are the features?DX11?...eeehm what else you got?^^

Seriously though right now I am having a really hard time deciding ...a GTX 580 will give me a smoother gaming experience that is true but in my oppinion only in SLI ...as a single card it won´t always give me 60 fps avg like a Quad SLI 295 ( and yes that is considering MS would make it look like 20 fps).

5.)It would just help me so much more if people could include some Bench screens and videos,pictures that would clearify the situation...reading x20 times 295 bad 580 good hasn´t really helped so far. I need a professional and well thought through post with facts some screens and vids and maybe a final resumee xD


Thank you all for the effort though I hope I will be able to decide soon!

Oh yeah one thingoes this switching your old card for a new one feature from EVGA limit to USA or is it available to all countries like mine (Austria?))
Edited by Kung Pow - 3/1/11 at 12:06am
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1) Micro stutter will be a problem, it will get worse with the addition of a 3rd and 4th GPU.

2) OF COURSE QUAD-SLI WILL BEAT A SINGLE 580. What you don't seem to grasp is DX11 isn't just new and shiny. If you watched the Unigine Heaven benchmark and didn't notice the difference between DX10 and DX11, I'd be worried.

Your dedicated. It's obvious. Get the other 295, have great benches, have bad gaming. No matter how many screenshots, review or benchmarks anybody posts, you will not be satisfied.

I think the only head-to-head you can do is to find someone here that has 2 580's, and you buy the second 295, then compare. But what do I know. I'm not a professional.

Btw, even at 1080p, YouTube looks ugly compared to in person. Can't really make an informed comparison with their compressed files. And I don't think the Step-Up works there
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Son, just set up this damn quad-sli and leave us alone!
If you were so certain that you want it, why bother making a thread to ask opinions on it anyway?
Yes, 295s in quad sli is the supreme rendering dream!
It will scale perfectly, run 256xSS AA, be cold as an ice cube and faster than 580gtx in 8 way sli!
DX11 is for losers!
You've convinced me!
I'll go right now sell my Thermis and get me a pair of 295s too!

P.S.: I might even get me a god old Pentium 4 while I'm at it! i7 is overrated!
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Son, just set up this damn quad-sli and leave us alone!
If you were so certain that you want it, why bother making a thread to ask opinions on it anyway?
Yes, 295s in quad sli is the supreme rendering dream!
It will scale perfectly, run 256xSS AA, be cold as an ice cube and faster than 580gtx in 8 way sli!
DX11 is for losers!
You've convinced me!
I'll go right now sell my Thermis and get me a pair of 295s too!

P.S.: I might even get me a god old Pentium 4 while I'm at it! i7 is overrated!

I hate that so much.

If you can´t say anything that could contribute to this thread and help me why post at all?
Just keep your nonsense for yourself nobody asked you to post just leave it out then-.-
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