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No the atom is ancient core with out of order code execution enhancements. Same thing the arm is. It's a souped up acorn just like atom is a souped up pentium core.
The Atom is an in-order execution processor....
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AMD fanboys zzzz

Atom still has the CPU power in its hands, all of the AMD Fusion crap you guys been posting is all about video playback. Its always Fusion vs Atom and always about graphics whilst ignoring Oak Trail which from specs wise to actual OEMs using it over the Neo, points to it being better.
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AMD fanboys zzzz

Atom still has the CPU power in its hands, all of the AMD Fusion crap you guys been posting is all about video playback. Its always Fusion vs Atom and always about graphics whilst ignoring Oak Trail which from specs wise to actual OEMs using it over the Neo, points to it being better.
Actually, if you consider real-world usage of a netbook.... Fusion is better for most people as the Atom platform is GPU-limited. Netbooks are not used for number-crunching as much as media consumption.
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Actually, if you consider real-world usage of a netbook.... Fusion is better for most people as the Atom platform is GPU-limited. Netbooks are not used for number-crunching as much as media consumption.
What about Ion2, you can get a N550 with Ion2 for cheaper than any AMD fusion laptops which seem to be laptop sized, but Netbook power unless you can find any Zacate laptops less than 15.6 inches and a closer to $400 than $500.
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What about Ion2, you can get a N550 with Ion2 for cheaper than any AMD fusion laptops which seem to be laptop sized, but Netbook power unless you can find any Zacate laptops less than 15.6 inches and a closer to $400 than $500.
E-350 is faster than N550 in most CPU applications (it is 30+% faster clock for clock and many common netbook applications aren't pervasively multithreaded). E-350 is about equal in GPU power to Ion 2, but it uses less power than the N550/Ion 2 combo. The only reason for the higher prices (in 10-12" category with similar build quality) is profit because the E-350 is cheaper to manufacture. Atom was designed to help Intel enter the phone market.

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The 680i performed well initially when compared to Intel at the time.

...but you're considering total system TDP.

Fusion vs Atom cores.... Atom wins at performance/watt. You also have to consider that Atom is a 3-yr old design.
It is currently unknown which wins in performance/watt at the core level because most of the power draw from zacate is the GPU. I imagine that for just the CPU, the OOO, memory controller, and smaller fab node would make zacate core much more efficient per watt. To determine efficiency for the overall chip is also difficult because a this would require programs to make use of the GPU via OpenCL (few if any do).

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I stopped reading after browsing the article and finding this in < 5 seconds..
Any view of this is based on an unfounded assumption. The view of the author is that it is only recently (past year or so) that work has begun on a high performance chip. If this is true, the author could definitely be correct. It takes three or more years to design a new core if the changes aren't major. It would take much longer for the ground up redesign that would be necessary (not including new designs due to the necessary addition of ARM instructions to support HPC). In addition many of the patents necessary for HPC designs are held by AMD, IBM, Intel, or Sun (now Oracle). This further complicates things for a potential designer. While this redesign is occurring, the current players in the market will have released even better products.

On the other hand, if work has been progressing in secret for YEARS, then it is possible that we could see better performance sooner rather than later.
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What about Ion2, you can get a N550 with Ion2 for cheaper than any AMD fusion laptops which seem to be laptop sized, but Netbook power unless you can find any Zacate laptops less than 15.6 inches and a closer to $400 than $500.
Wrong.
You can get Fusion (C-50) netbooks here in Canada for less than $300. I'm sure it's even cheaper in the US.

The same cannot be said for Ion 2 however. I have yet to find an Ion 2 product here for less than $380. (And even then, it was on boxing day.)
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What about Ion2, you can get a N550 with Ion2 for cheaper than any AMD fusion laptops which seem to be laptop sized, but Netbook power unless you can find any Zacate laptops less than 15.6 inches and a closer to $400 than $500.
this is $450, and has an 11.6" screen? dunno about Ion 2 but would that count?
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The 680i performed well initially when compared to Intel at the time.


...but you're considering total system TDP.

Fusion vs Atom cores.... Atom wins at performance/watt. You also have to consider that Atom is a 3-yr old design.
Only in memory, in HDD performance the ICH7R was faster, and iirc nVidia lost in USB performance as well? And network performance.

Compare cores, fine, but I'm not going to only be running a core, am I? I'm going to be running a full system, considering (iirc) AMD has more stuff on die than Atom, no-wonder they have higher power usage, but the best way to test this stuff out is in a real system (equal specs bar the stuff that needs to change) doing real world stuff, like browsing the internet, gaming, movies, etc.


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AMD fanboys zzzz

Atom still has the CPU power in its hands, all of the AMD Fusion crap you guys been posting is all about video playback. Its always Fusion vs Atom and always about graphics whilst ignoring Oak Trail which from specs wise to actual OEMs using it over the Neo, points to it being better.
Isn't Oak Trail aimed at tablets and smartphones? AMD Fusion would be faster in that case, but not in performance/watt...And the Neo is for laptops, oh, and iirc the Fusion CPU is faster clock for clock than the Atom, GPU independent.

And if you're referring to me as an AMD Fanboy, my Core i3 laptop says hi, as does the Core 2 Duo E8300 I upgraded from to this Phenom II.
    
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Serve me a Zacate, I'll be good...
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Actually, if you consider real-world usage of a netbook.... Fusion is better for most people as the Atom platform is GPU-limited. Netbooks are not used for number-crunching as much as media consumption.

Intel hasn't given atom enough beefiness to do quality media playback, and I think this is going to start biting them in the ass when fusion and ARM products hit the market.
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