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But also because they have practically no competition other than perhaps the Cherry G80-5000 modded with blues.
post #12 of 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by B757;12527950 
Fully adjustable ergo mechs are notoriously expensive. IBM M15s go for as high as $1600 and Cherry G80-5000s also go for a ton of mony.

I have never heard of an M15 go for more than $1000, and even then, that would be a pretty exceptional.
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Originally Posted by Tator Tot;12527694 
Because the switches are not cheap to make, and generally mech boards are built to a higher standard than many of your normal boards.

Non-mech wise, one of the best you can get is the Goldtouch.

This was the only other keyboard that I've seen that would fit my needs. What do you think about the negative reviews saying that their quality has gone down hill quickly over the last couple years?
    
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Originally Posted by ch_123;12530416 
I have never heard of an M15 go for more than $1000, and even then, that would be a pretty exceptional.

http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/ibm-m15-split-ergonomic-keyboard-hits-ebay-bidding-war-2010101/
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Originally Posted by ESP;12531526 
This was the only other keyboard that I've seen that would fit my needs. What do you think about the negative reviews saying that their quality has gone down hill quickly over the last couple years?
I know one that's around 2 years old right now, besides not being a mech board it still functions pretty well.

Some people just like to complain, but i haven't seen anything to actually denote a decrease in quality.
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Originally Posted by Tator Tot;12531939 
I know one that's around 2 years old right now, besides not being a mech board it still functions pretty well.

Some people just like to complain, but i haven't seen anything to actually denote a decrease in quality.


Awesome, thanks.
    
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post #17 of 21
I don't much programming or gamesing, but as a court reporter I do a lot of text entry (140 wpm+) as audio transcription.

I've been using a Maltron since 1986. It was expensive (currently just under 400 pounds ex UK) However, I'm still using my original keyboard (although I've got more than one, including single hand keyboards) , and at today's prices it cost me roughly 16 pounds UK a year, amortised over 25 years. (It has Cherry key switches.)

As far as ergonomic goes, I rate it far ahead of any other keyboard layout I've seen.

For me the quick, practical test of ergonomic efficiency is how many different words can be keyed without removing the hands from the keyboard, which gives the least amount of hand/arm travel.

Using an international Scrabble word list of 172,807 words, my own figures are:

QWERTY - 198 different words can be typed without taking the fingers from the home keys.

DVORAK - 3126 different words can be typed without taking the fingers from the home keys.

COLEMAK - 5963 different words can be typed without taking the fingers from the home keys.

MALTRON - 7639 different words can be typed without taking the fingers from the home keys.

The actual word lists are here:

http://proword-keyboardlayoutefficiency.blogspot.com/

And glancing through the word lists, you can make your own assessment of how "useful" the words are.

This link has a much more detailed discussion on what I consider makes a keyboard "ergonomic".

http://mostergonomickeyboard.blogspot.com/

As you'll see, there's more to consider than just the distribution of keys.

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Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Proword;12539789 
I don't much programming or gamesing, but as a court reporter I do a lot of text entry (140 wpm+) as audio transcription.

I've been using a Maltron since 1986. It was expensive (currently just under 400 pounds ex UK) However, I'm still using my original keyboard (although I've got more than one, including single hand keyboards) , and at today's prices it cost me roughly 16 pounds UK a year, amortised over 25 years. (It has Cherry key switches.)

As far as ergonomic goes, I rate it far ahead of any other keyboard layout I've seen.

For me the quick, practical test of ergonomic efficiency is how many different words can be keyed without removing the hands from the keyboard, which gives the least amount of hand/arm travel.

Using an international Scrabble word list of 172,807 words, my own figures are:

QWERTY - 198 different words can be typed without taking the fingers from the home keys.

DVORAK - 3126 different words can be typed without taking the fingers from the home keys.

COLEMAK - 5963 different words can be typed without taking the fingers from the home keys.

MALTRON - 7639 different words can be typed without taking the fingers from the home keys.

The actual word lists are here:

http://proword-keyboardlayoutefficiency.blogspot.com/

And glancing through the word lists, you can make your own assessment of how "useful" the words are.

This link has a much more detailed discussion on what I consider makes a keyboard "ergonomic".

http://mostergonomickeyboard.blogspot.com/

As you'll see, there's more to consider than just the distribution of keys.

Joe

Holy crap thats some good information. Well, if I ever actually find a job typing from home, (can anyone help me with that?) I will definitely look into a MALTRON keyboard.
    
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post #19 of 21
If you use Colemak/Dvorak, you can use it anywhere that has a normal keyboard.

If you use Maltron, which has its own keyboard layout, you have to re-learn touch type on that again, and this process will takes at least 2 months. You will have to bring it to anywhere with you.

Maltron is more efficient because it puts E to left thumb, while right thumb press space.

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post #20 of 21
That is just interesting! (Though I personally will stick with QWERTY..)

I like the MALTRON <> QWERTY led.
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