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Sorry, but rebranding for four generations of GPU's makes no sense either.
Makes perfect sense. They've been doing it a while. Improvements in MFG result in better clock speeds, re-release it as something else. Rebrand yesterdays midrange card to todays low end card, sure. Yet another trend. But this has nothing to do with how Nvidia has released dual gpu cards int he past as my "history lesson" does.

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I'm just saying that there's too much rumor, and there is no FACT to back either statement up yet. We have absolutely NO IDEA what the GTX590 is going to be. Could be 560's, 570's, or 580's on one card. Like I said though, unless Nvidia has a magical elf in their factory, good luck fitting two 580 cores on one die, and keeping within PCIe power standards.
There are no facts, you are correct on this. Trends suggest it'll be two 580 chips, and no, they won't be on the same die. There will be 2 GPU's on a single PCB like before. (except for that one time where there were 2 chips on 2 pcbs on 1 card).

To keep within the power spec, they have to download/downvolt the chips. Again, an ongoing trend.
Edited by compudaze - 2/26/11 at 1:20am
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Makes perfect sense. They've been doing it a while. Improvements in MFG result in better clock speeds, re-release it as something else. Rebrand yesterdays midrange card to todays low end card, sure. Yet another trend.



There are no facts, you are correct on this. Trends suggest it'll be two 580 chips, and no, they won't be on the same die. There will be 2 GPU's on a single PCB like before. (except for that one time where there were 2 chips on 2 pcbs on 1 card).

To keep within the power spec, they have to download/downvolt the chips. Again, an ongoing trend.
Well if nvidia wants to stay on top as having the best available graphics card they are going to have to figure out how to implement 2x 580s within a certain power range.

It wont be bad if ATI takes the crown though. Change is good.
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Makes perfect sense. They've been doing it a while. Improvements in MFG result in better clock speeds, re-release it as something else. Rebrand yesterdays midrange card to todays low end card, sure. Yet another trend.



There are no facts, you are correct on this. Trends suggest it'll be two 580 chips, and no, they won't be on the same die. There will be 2 GPU's on a single PCB like before. (except for that one time where there were 2 chips on 2 pcbs on 1 card).

To keep within the power spec, they have to download/downvolt the chips. Again, an ongoing trend.
1) I wasn't talking about high end to mid range rebrands. The entire 9 series were all a DIRECT rebrand short of the 9600GT.

2) Yes, TRENDS SUGGEST that it'll be two 580's. But we have no cold hard FACTS. And yes, I understand they won't be on the same die. Thank you for correcting my mistake . I meant PCB, I typed die. This is what happens at 1:30am.

3) And I am very well aware of how they've gotten dual GPU cards to work in the past. What I am saying though, is even with downclocking and undervolting, they'll STILL have a very hard time keeping 2 GTX580's within PCIe power specs. A single GTX580 is stretching the limits of the PCIe specifications NOW (after overclock). There's almost no way they'll be able to fit two on the same board. It "could" be done...but its doubtful.

This is exactly why its been rumored that it'll be two highly overclocked 560 cores, or two 570 cores. As those will both fit dual setups easily on the PCIe power specs.

Again, its all speculation. We don't even know for sure that we'll get a GTX590 anyway.
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1) I wasn't talking about high end to mid range rebrands. The entire 9 series were all a DIRECT rebrand short of the 9600GT.

2) Yes, TRENDS SUGGEST that it'll be two 580's. But we have no cold hard FACTS. And yes, I understand they won't be on the same die. Thank you for correcting my mistake . I meant PCB, I typed die. This is what happens at 1:30am.

3) And I am very well aware of how they've gotten dual GPU cards to work in the past. What I am saying though, is even with downclocking and undervolting, they'll STILL have a very hard time keeping 2 GTX580's within PCIe power specs. A single GTX580 is stretching the limits of the PCIe specifications NOW (after overclock). There's almost no way they'll be able to fit two on the same board. It "could" be done...but its doubtful.

This is exactly why its been rumored that it'll be two highly overclocked 560 cores, or two 570 cores. As those will both fit dual setups easily on the PCIe power specs.

Again, its all speculation. We don't even know for sure that we'll get a GTX590 anyway.

Trends actually suggest nothing.
GTX9800X2 was litterally two stuck together, the first same PCB dual GPU for nvidia was the GTX295 (was 2 PCB's at first then combined into one by EVGA IRRC) That was 2xGTX275's at GTX 260 speed
The ASUS MARS was a huge fail, and I doubt they can do that with GTX580's
So IMO it will be 2xGTX560 Ti's
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I completely forgot about that!

GTX295 = dual GTX275's.

NOT dual GTX280's or 285's like the "trend" suggests.
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I vote two 570 cores, anything less and IMO it won't be worth it.
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I would l98ke to thank you all for your help. I will wait until the next line of cards comes out.
Yeah your 5870 should hold for quiet awhile
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TY all. I will keep my Powercolor HD5870 for awhile yet then. It is the version that has
Core at 875,
Mem at 1225.
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Intel Core i7 4930K 5.0GHz (Unlocked CPU for Ex... ASUS Rampage IV Extreme X79 (Intel X79 Chipset) 2x SLI Dual (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780 3GB (Includ... 32GB DDR3 1866MHz Corsair Vengeance Pro 
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1x SSD (1TB Samsung 840 EVO) 1x Storage (1TB Western Digital - Black Edition) ASUS DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writ... H20: HydroLux Level 3: Exotic Custom Cooling Sy... 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Strike-X AeroCool Temperature Display & Fan Con... Microsoft Windows 8.1 Professional (64-Bit Edit... Asus PB278 2560 by 1440 G510 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Corsair 1050 obsidian 900d R.A.T. 7 Razer Vespula 
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