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#1 ·
Hi I am looking at 2 nice CPUs they are:

• Pentium Dual Core E5700 3GHz 2MB L3 , 2MB L2

• Core 2 Quad Q8200 2.33GHz 4MB L2.

They Are both LGA775. Which one will give more performance?

Also will any of these 2 processors Bottleneck a 1GB HD 5770?

Any other LGA775 CPU suggestions please tell me.
 
#3 ·
I sure hope its not for your sig rig.
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Originally Posted by HP's Website, for the P5LP-LE Board
* Socket: 775
* Supports the following processors:
o Pentium D 800 series Smithfield core up to 3.2 GHz
o Pentium 4 Prescott core up to 580 and 670
Because neither CPU will work in your sig rig's motherboard.

If you're buying a new board...then you're better off to jump ship. Either AM3 or LGA1156.
 
#6 ·
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Originally Posted by Blackelfwolf;12536475
Just want to use it for playing game at max settings at 1280x1024
Not going to happen with the rig you have in your signature. You'd need a CPU, motherboard, RAM, GPU, and PSU upgrade to acheive that.

And you CANNOT add a better CPU to your current sig rig, other than a crappy old Pentium D. Which isn't worth the cost of shipping to get one.
 
#9 ·
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Originally Posted by beers;12536646
There's no point in staying on socket 775.
Agreed.

If you want to upgrade, save up for a bit and build a new computer.
Dont just build into a dead socket with parts that were midrange when they were brand new.
 
#14 ·
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Originally Posted by Blackelfwolf;12536636
How about this upgrade?

• A-RAM Value DDR2 PC6400/800MHz CL5 2x2GB
• Antec Two Hundred (Black)
• ASRock G41M-VS3
• Asus Radeon EAH5770 Cu Core/2DI/1GD5 1GB
• Aywun A1-550E 550W
No. Don't upgrade into a dead socket.....

Get yourself a cheap AM3 build.

2x2GB of Kingston Hyper X DDR3-1600 is $20 AR on newegg right now.
Get a decent AM3 board (something with a decent 8+2 power phase, there's a list in the AMD section).
For the cheap, get an Athlon II x4 processor
Use the onboard video if you have to for now (it'll beat your x300)
And a 400w Antec Neo ECO power supply.
Whatever case fits your budget and style.

That would walk all over any LGA775 setup you could build on the cheap, and would likely be cheaper too.
 
#15 ·
I have the q8200 i have it ocd to 3.0 and it didnt take much to get there, i like it i play a lot of games (bfbc2 metro 2033 fallout 3) and mith my gtx260 i can play them on med to high settings with decent fps. I also have a i7 i think its a 740m... Not sure but all of my games run faster and smoother on the i7. Overall performance on the i7 is much beter than the q8200.
 
#16 ·
Agreed with above posts about building a whole new rig. You can build a rig about $350 if you wait for the right time with promotions on newegg. It'll likely play crysis and other games on high settings.

As for the old sig rig, you can practice overclocking on it with softwares because it's an OEM computer no(BIOS got no oc' features) no? Then you'd be ready to oc' your new rig when it arrives
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#17 ·
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Originally Posted by Blackelfwolf;12536724
Thanks for the help.

Skyrim will be the best game ever!!! (Until another elder scrolls)
The only thing I'd recommend you reuse for a new build is the DDR2 RAM, and that is if it's clocked at least at 800MHz.

You can build a very good gaming PC for $600.

This will give you the most gaming you can buy for the price and a high-quality mobo that should handle over-clocking very well:

Asus DVD+RW Drive: $18
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204

Antec Three Hundred Illusion Case: $55
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129066

Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB HDD: $40
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136073

EVGA GTX 460 1GB SSC+: $200
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130596

Antec NEO ECO 520C 520W PSU: $40
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371030

G.Skill NS 4GB DDR3 1333MHz RAM: $40
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231396

AMD Phenom II X4 840: $100
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103921

Cooler Master Hyper TX3 CPU Cooler: $20
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103064

MSI NF-750-G55 750a SLI Motherboard: $85
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130235

Subtotal: $573
Total: $583

The case provides you with lots of airflow and looks quite good. Best case you can buy for the price. The HDD has gotten great reviews and should deliver good performance and a good amount of room for games and all other media. The EVGA GTX 460 SSC+ is the fastest GPU you can buy for $200 and can pretty much run any game at max. or near max. settings. It delivers the same performance as a Radeon HD 5850. The Antec NEO ECO 520W has gotten great reviews and at that price it's an absolute steal. The G.Skill RAM is pretty standard, but don't be persuaded into buying more expensive and supposedly "higher-performing" RAM. Also, don't listen to terms like "generic". It doesn't mean anything since from all the reviews I've read it's very reliable and the most difference that can be had from having 1333MHz RAM instead of 2000MHz is a decrease of 2%. The "Phenom" II X4 840 is a great CPU for the price. You have a Quad-Core running at a high stock frequency that can be easily OCed to 3.5GHz on stock voltage. Remember, though, that the 840 does not have L3 cache, unlike typical Phenom processors. The motherboard has very good power delivery and should be good even for OCing a Phenom II X4 and can also handle an SLI of those GTX 460s.
 
#18 ·
look at picking up cheap phenom 1s or the original AM2+ phenom 2s -

as for the gpu - the recertified PNY gtx 465 is only $140 at newegg - request a black PCB version and unlock it to the gtx 470 for the best bang4buck combo
 
#19 ·
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Originally Posted by LOL_Wut_Axel;12538135
The only thing I'd recommend you reuse for a new build is the DDR2 RAM, and that is if it's clocked at least at 800MHz.

You can build a very good gaming PC for $500.

This will give you the most gaming you can buy for the price and a high-quality mobo that should handle over-clocking very well:

Asus DVD+RW Drive: $18
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204

Antec Three Hundred Illusion Case: $55
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129066

Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB HDD: $40
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136073

EVGA GTX 460 1GB SSC+: $200
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130596

Antec NEO ECO 520C 520W PSU: $40
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371030

G.Skill NS 4GB DDR3 1333MHz RAM: $40
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231396

AMD Athlon II X3 435: $72
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103920

Cooler Master Hyper TX3 CPU Cooler: $20
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103064

Subtotal: $488
Total: $498

The case provides you with lots of airflow and looks quite good. Best case you can buy for the price. The HDD has gotten great reviews and should deliver good performance and a good amount of room for games and all other media. The EVGA GTX 460 SSC+ is the fastest GPU you can buy for $200 and can pretty much run any game at max. or near max. settings. It delivers the same performance as a Radeon HD 5850. The Antec NEO ECO 520W has gotten great reviews and at that price it's an absolute steal. The G.Skill RAM is pretty standard, but don't be persuaded into buying more expensive and supposedly "higher-performing" RAM. Also, don't listen to terms like "generic". It doesn't mean anything since from all the reviews I've read it's very reliable and the most difference that can be had from having 1333MHz RAM instead of 2000MHz is a decrease of 2%. The Athlon II X3 is a very fast CPU for the price. Since most games take advantage of three cores but not four, it should give you a boost in performance in comparison to a dual-core while at the same time being better in multi-threaded applications and general usage. With the Hyper TX3, you should be able to OC it to at least 3.6GHz and to run the NB at 2.4GHz.
You could knock $200 off that price by just using onboard video
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. The onboard from AMD will still walk all over his current X300. Oh, you're kind of missing a motherboard recommendation in that list too. And a 520w PSU is overkill.

EDIT: You're also missing an Operating System from that build. He can't re-use his current XP, as its an OEM license tied to his OEM computer.
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Originally Posted by goldboy;12538176
look at picking up cheap phenom 1s or the original AM2+ phenom 2s -

as for the gpu - the recertified PNY gtx 465 is only $140 at newegg - request a black PCB version and unlock it to the gtx 470 for the best bang4buck combo
Why, when you can get an Athlon II for cheaper? And it'll perform better?

And those 465's usually don't unlock anymore.
 
#20 ·
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Originally Posted by pioneerisloud;12538213
You could knock $200 off that price by just using onboard video
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. The onboard from AMD will still walk all over his current X300. Oh, you're kind of missing a motherboard recommendation in that list too. And a 520w PSU is overkill.

EDIT: You're also missing an Operating System from that build. He can't re-use his current XP, as its an OEM license tied to his OEM computer.

Why, when you can get an Athlon II for cheaper? And it'll perform better?

And those 465's usually don't unlock anymore.
Um, you do know he wants a gaming PC, right? That's why he suggested a Radeon HD 5770 earlier...

In PC builds, you typically don't include the cost of the OS. You include the cost of the physical parts of the PC. The OS is separate from the PC. If he wants or needs to get it, then he can get Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit here:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116754&cm_re=windows_7_home_premium_64-bit-_-32-116-754-_-Product

Yes, the original Phenoms are a complete waste of money unless you plan on doing something very multi-threaded and only have $80. You can get an Athlon II X4, which will be faster clock-for-clock, for just $20 more. And the GTX 465s were never good value propositions to begin with. They were power hungry, not very high-performing, and getting them to unlock was a hit-or-miss.
 
#21 ·
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Originally Posted by LOL_Wut_Axel;12538321
Um, you do know he wants a gaming PC, right? That's why he suggested a Radeon HD 5770 earlier...

In PC builds, you typically don't include the cost of the OS. You include the cost of the physical parts of the PC. The OS is separate from the PC. If he wants or needs to get it, then he can get Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit here:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116754&cm_re=windows_7_home_premium_64-bit-_-32-116-754-_-Product

Yes, the original Phenoms are a complete waste of money unless you plan on doing something very multi-threaded and only have $80. You can get an Athlon II X4, which will be faster clock-for-clock, for just $20 more. And the GTX 465s were never good value propositions to begin with. They were power hungry, not very high-performing, and getting them to unlock was a hit-or-miss.
Um, yeah I do realize he's after a gaming PC. But I also realize that it doesn't sound like he's got a very large budget. And the onboard video WILL BE 100x better than his current X300 with his Pentium 4. I was just offering one spot where he could save some money at if he needs it.

And why WOULDN'T you include the OS in a PC build? Seriously. That's the stupidest thing I have read in quite some time. He's going to get all those nice new parts, and have absolutely NO WAY to use them. Yeah, that makes a ton of sense.
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And I have no objections at all to the Athlon II x4's. They're solid budget CPU's. Only about 1-3% slower clock for clock than the Phenom II's, just depends on if the cache is needed or not.
 
#22 ·
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Originally Posted by pioneerisloud;12538357
Um, yeah I do realize he's after a gaming PC. But I also realize that it doesn't sound like he's got a very large budget. And the onboard video WILL BE 100x better than his current X300 with his Pentium 4. I was just offering one spot where he could save some money at if he needs it.

And why WOULDN'T you include the OS in a PC build? Seriously. That's the stupidest thing I have read in quite some time. He's going to get all those nice new parts, and have absolutely NO WAY to use them. Yeah, that makes a ton of sense.
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And I have no objections at all to the Athlon II x4's. They're solid budget CPU's. Only about 1-3% slower clock for clock than the Phenom II's, just depends on if the cache is needed or not.
Because he's asking for the parts only. *sigh* You're the first person I've ever heard whining about this. You typically don't include the cost of the OS unless it's asked for. It's how it's always been done.
 
#23 ·
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Originally Posted by LOL_Wut_Axel;12538412
Because he's asking for the parts only. *sigh* You're the first person I've ever heard whining about this. You typically don't include the cost of the OS unless it's asked for. It's how it's always been done.
He asked about CPU upgrades for his sig rig. Meaning he could still use his original OS. If he replaces the motherboard, he can no longer reuse that OS.
 
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