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Originally Posted by Capwn;12540444 
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27" Samsung 1 ms 1920x1080



and much less than $500

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OP, Why do you need such low input lag? I'm pretty sure that most newer TN panels will not ghost or anything
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27" @ 1080P is something some people can't handle. The pixel pitch on a screen that size is .3mm or greater, which results in a lack of sharpness because of the larger pixels. However, if you've seen 27" 1080P monitors in person and like the image quality, then you'll be fine.

I wouldn't use a TV as a gaming monitor, but that's just me. TVs have larger pixel pitches, more input lag, and are generally meant for viewing further away than LCD monitors. If you plan on being within 3 feet of the display (i.e. on your computer desk) you definitely want a monitor and not a TV. If you are okay with being a good distance from the display, you should be alright with a TV.

If you like matte finish monitors, that Samsung is a pretty good deal. However, if you read reviews on it, both on Newegg and elsewhere, you'll see that it still suffers from some ghosting in high FPS uses and has pretty bad black levels, among other problems. Input lag doesn't seem to be one of those problems, however. The LG M2762D-PM has gotten better reviews from multiple sources/sites, and comes with a TV tuner (which seems like a feature you're looking for), although I haven't seen it in person.

ExplosiveBacon is misinformed. There are still many new TN monitors that exhibit ghosting. They're just better than they used to be. An observant eye will see it, though. And don't ever use any overdrive feature on a monitor. It won't fix the ghosting, but instead just give you "inverse ghosting," and will increase input lag as much as it decreases response time due to the way it modifies the buffer before the frames are rendered to the screen.

If you like the glossy TV look but still want a true monitor, I'd highly recommend the HP 2710m (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824176160&Tpk=2710m). It is 1080P, features 2.5 ms GTG response time, terrific black levels, and has a glossy finish to further increase contrast, black levels, and color vibrancy. If you game in the dark or a dimly lit room like I do, the reflective finish won't bother you. The closest thing I can compare it to is the Apple Cinema Display, which is $600 more expensive. I own the 2509b, which is 2" smaller and 1 year older than the 2710. My 2509b also only has 5ms instead of the 2.5ms on the 2710, and yet I have no visible ghosting whatsoever. The HP models do have some problems with screen tearing, but that's completely solved by forcing vSync on using your video card's driver or by using RivaTuner's D3DOverride. The input lag is minimal if you turn off the built-in overdrive feature.

Amazon has it listed for 349.99, but HP Direct has it on sale for 319.99. Even better, you can enter the coupon code "LHD30" in your HP cart, and it will reduce the price to 289.99. Not bad, right?

There are also great LED monitors such as LG's E2750VR-SN or HP's 2711x, but I find CCFL monitors look better, and the only reason to get LED is because of space limitations or power consumption concerns. LED backlighting is mostly a gimmick in computer monitors, and its not worth the $50-$100 premium for most people. I also haven't read anything that shows that input lag on LEDs are lower than LCDs, and the response time is usually higher.
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ouch >_< listen to him +1, he sound like he knows his stuff:p im just a newb stalking forums:D:D:D:D
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Why not a 1440p if you're going for 27". The image quality should be much sharper.
post #15 of 24
Also, here's an anandtech article about input lag found in another post (http://www.anandtech.com/show/2803/7). It links to a page that compares a number of different monitors (http://www.anandtech.com/show/2518/12), although the article is 2 years old, so the models are somewhat outdated.

However, you can see that HP is known for their low input lag monitors. Notice that most PVA panels have much higher input lag than TN and IPS panels. However, given your price range, IPS at that size is out of the question. So that leaves you with TN panels.

Just remember that the majority of input lag is in the other components: mouse lag, cpu processing time, gpu processing time, frame transmission and vsync (if triple buffering is not enabled) can comprise nearly 90% of input lag. Since your components are all high end, you won't get much input lag from the CPU or GPU. If you have a high-end gaming mouse (*NOT* wireless, as this can add tremendously to input lag), that can help a lot too. If you need vsync, make sure triple buffering is on and that can eliminate a lot of input lag as well, as vsync can delay input by a single frame (doesn't sound like a lot, but it can be in FPS for hardcore gamers). After that, a TN monitor's input lag will be negligible. Remember, at 60 FPS, the monitor displays a frame every 16.7ms. Most monitors have about one frame of input lag, even the ones with overdrive, game mode, or 1ms GTG response times. Eliminating the other sources of input lag is the best way to go. Just buy a non-PVA panel that looks good to your eyes, and eliminate the other variables.

Keep in mind, plasmas are like CRTs in that they usually have no input lag. If you can find a smaller plasma TV, this might be a good alternative choice for hardcore gaming, although the dithering that the 600hz subfields use can be distracting up close.
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Sceptre X270W-1080P got good reviews and costs less than $300. It has input lag of only 6ms: http://www.anandtech.com/show/3728/sceptre-x270w-1080p-review-value-27-that-delivers
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Just remember they bake the number on monitors for input lag. Anything that is marketed as 1ms or 2ms is more often than not junk.

Go with brands that offer quality such as Asus.
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post #18 of 24
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Just remember they bake the number on monitors for input lag. Anything that is marketed as 1ms or 2ms is more often than not junk.

Go with brands that offer quality such as Asus.

Asus is usually a good brand, yes. But be careful not to confuse response time with input lag. Input lag on a display can be several times longer than the response time. Manufacturers do not advertise input lag times for some reason, and it can only be measured by third parties by comparing with CRTs in person.
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Just remember they bake the number on monitors for input lag. Anything that is marketed as 1ms or 2ms is more often than not junk.

Oh? Can someone expand on this? I'm genuinely curious.

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Originally Posted by Booty Warrior;12549271 
Why not a 1440p if you're going for 27". The image quality should be much sharper.

FPS smile.gif I've got a GTX580, overclocked, and I still run BFBC2 at lowest settings to get the absolute minimum input lag - It really does make a big difference.
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Sceptre X270W-1080P got good reviews and costs less than $300. It has input lag of only 6ms: http://www.anandtech.com/show/3728/sceptre-x270w-1080p-review-value-27-that-delivers

I saw that one, it looks really good. Actually getting my hands one one is a bit difficult as I live in South Africa and no-one seems to be selling sceptre here.

I've also been looking at 120Hz monitors currently available, specifically the 24" Benq(also not available in SA yet) and the 24" LG(the only one I can actually get my hands on, apart from the 120Hz Asus, which has 1 whole frame of input lag), both of which have very low input lag. I've read that Acer have a 120Hz 27" on the horizon, and other makers might follow soon. I think I'm going to wait a while to see how the 120Hz monitor market develops.

Thanks for all teh input cheers.gif
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