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Actually, my Acer w/ an i5 did pretty good on the TIM, I still replaced it though but, just saying. I still say Macs are way overpriced and if they start cutting corners some people may actually realize that instead of following blindly and purchasing everything just because its apple. That said, I still love my iPod touch, but I feel somewhat annoyed for the fact that now you cant repair it yourself if you break the glass or screen.
    
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post #22 of 111
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Originally Posted by DarkHollow;12541771 
Actually, my Acer w/ an i5 did pretty good on the TIM, I still replaced it though but, just saying. I still say Macs are way overpriced and if they start cutting corners some people may actually realize that instead of following blindly and purchasing everything just because its apple. That said, I still love my iPod touch, but I feel somewhat annoyed for the fact that now you cant repair it yourself if you break the glass or screen.

Of course they are over priced, no one will argue with you over that one. However, they have a following because they do tend to be good quality machines and the aesthetics are really top notch (yes, I know you can argue this point, but on the whole, they are well built products).

Brand loyalty exists because people are happy. Sure, they paid more money, but if they are happy, that's all that matters. My GF just upgraded from her black C2D Macbook to an i7 MB Pro because she was happy. Loved the style, loved the OS and when the HD went, the service was excellent (the irony being I was hammering Scan/Gigabyte over an RMA that had taken 2 months and they replaced her HD within a matter of hours).
post #23 of 111
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Originally Posted by DarkHollow;12541771 
Actually, my Acer w/ an i5 did pretty good on the TIM, I still replaced it though but, just saying. I still say Macs are way overpriced and if they start cutting corners some people may actually realize that instead of following blindly and purchasing everything just because its apple. That said, I still love my iPod touch, but I feel somewhat annoyed for the fact that now you cant repair it yourself if you break the glass or screen.

Or you could learn about the many source for fixing your iPod websites... smile.gif Seriously there's a lot of step by step instructions.
post #24 of 111
There are plenty of people who would argue that they are not overpriced and in fact offer plenty of value for the dollar. I think what you might be saying is Apple products cost more because they offer value in added ways.

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Originally Posted by 98uk;12541786 
Of course they are over priced, no one will argue with you over that one. However, they have a following because they do tend to be good quality machines and the aesthetics are really top notch (yes, I know you can argue this point, but on the whole, they are well built products).

Brand loyalty exists because people are happy. Sure, they paid more money, but if they are happy, that's all that matters. My GF just upgraded from her black C2D Macbook to an i7 MB Pro because she was happy. Loved the style, loved the OS and when the HD went, the service was excellent (the irony being I was hammering Scan/Gigabyte over an RMA that had taken 2 months and they replaced her HD within a matter of hours).
post #25 of 111
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Originally Posted by hellonwheelz;12541830 
There are plenty of people who would argue that they are not overpriced and in fact offer plenty of value for the dollar. I think what you might be saying is Apple products cost more because they offer value in added ways.

From a technical standpoint, they cost more compared to an average Dell or Acer laptop. However, for a lot of people (not so much OCN), aesthetic values are quite important and you pay a price premium for that. It's similar to buying an Audi over a VW. They mostly share the same parts, including gearboxes and engines, yet you pay a price premium for owning an Audi.

I personally would be happy to pay that price premium as I have the disposable income and I really enjoy the looks and design of Macs.
post #26 of 111
Depends - does it actually effect the temperature or heat output when using it assembled? Laptops affecting skin has been a common issue and lately it's been growing in popularity due to "laptop skin" or w/e they call it lately due to laptops damaging people's legs from lots of lap use. If the TIM affects the heat output significantly, only then should it be a problem.

Aside from the Mac hating discussion (I dislike Macs myself), to say "It's ok because people replace the TIM all the time" - that's fine and dandy and all but people who don't do that (aka the rest of the world) it isn't.
Also, people buying Macs typically dont have the slightest intention of doing that. Not because they bought a Mac and they're "stupid" or whatever I don't mean that, but because it defeats the purpose of buying a Mac in a way. Most people don't like the hassles of Windows based machines, and Apple's dictatorship methods of keeping their hardware closed off and typically "all-in-one" is actually an appeal to some users. So opening it up is the opposite of what they intend to do most of the time.
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post #27 of 111
From experience, my GF says her new Mac actually runs a lot better than the old one. The GPU fan used to rev up on her last one when you had it on your lap/duvet watching video, but this new MBP doesn't. So far, it all seems to be working great.
post #28 of 111
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Originally Posted by 98uk;12541837 
I personally would be happy to pay that price premium as I have the disposable income and I really enjoy the looks and design of Macs.

Ditto.
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Originally Posted by hellonwheelz;12541830 
There are plenty of people who would argue that they are not overpriced and in fact offer plenty of value for the dollar. I think what you might be saying is Apple products cost more because they offer value in added ways.

I agree. Value added for me comes from quality parts and components, build quality, added software (iLife), styling and reliability. Personally I don't feel the 13" MBP's are too badly priced and I'll be buying a new one for my wife probably today to replace our aging white 13" C2D MBP. Easily the best notebook I've ever owned in terms of shear reliability. It's at least 5 years old and still runs like a champ. It just has trouble running Aperture along side other programs, so it's time for an update. The i5 should smoke the C2D there.

The 15" and up MBP's start getting a little ridiculous in price though. Aside from that, I dont think many other Apple products are overpriced. The ipods arent, the iPad isn't, the iPhone isn't....it's really just the Macbooks and upper end iMacs. I paid $1700 for my 27" iMac and given the size and resolution of the monitor, form factor and the other items I mentioned about, it's also the best desktop I've ever owned. It's nice having only a single wire on my desk (cable for iPhone).
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Most people don't like the hassles of Windows based machines, and Apple's dictatorship methods of keeping their hardware closed off and typically "all-in-one" is actually an appeal to some users.

I was an avid system builder for many years. I just grew out of it and got tired of it, so it's nice having a system with next to zero hassles.
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I spec'd up an Envy 17 (1080p, 1.83GHz 840QM, 6GB RAM, 750GB 5400 RPM HD, 5850M 1GB) and it came to $2,050 whilst the 17" MacBook Pro was $2,499.

I'm sure the Envy will get the newer CPU/GPU at some point but even then the price difference isn't that great, not when you consider the battery life the MBP vs the Envy as well as build / OS X, etc.
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I spec'd up an Envy 17 (1080p, 1.83GHz 840QM, 6GB RAM, 750GB 5400 RPM HD, 5850M 1GB) and it came to $2,050 whilst the 17" MacBook Pro was $2,499.

I'm sure the Envy will get the newer CPU/GPU at some point but even then the price difference isn't that great, not when you consider the battery life the MBP vs the Envy as well as build / OS X, etc.

You're comparing a laptop with 5850m to a laptop with cpu integrated graphics?
    
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