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I just got done with my new Phenom II x6 build and have come across a problem I just can't find the source of. I have a fresh install of windows 7 ultimate 64bit and at random (could be a few minutes after login to windows, could be a few hours after) my monitor and audio will lose their signal. It seems as though the computer is still running but I can't tell for sure. I end up having to reset it then everything is back to normal. I have done all the tests suggested on other sites such as memory and cpu testing. I have done virus scans and everything comes up normal. I have updated all drivers. The only thing I can think of on the software side is maybe I should do a bios update as it appears there is a new bios on the manufacture's website (my pc specs will be listed below). All temperatures are holding around 30c. On the hardware side I suspect the power supply is underpowered or faulty. Also I read on a website that if the voltage setting for the memory is wrong it could cause problems. The only problem is I don't know what the voltage should be (newegg where I bought it says 1.8v but other websites say 1.5v and the default in my bios is 1.6v). If it is my power supply it is not a big deal as it was cheap and I got another project to use it on if need be. The problem is figuring out what it is. This happens totally at random whether I am gaming or surfing the web. I am getting sick of my dual core laptop so please help.

PC Specs:

Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit
Old Maxtor 250gb IDE hard drive (problem occurs whether hard drive is installed or not)
Linksys Wireless N USB Adapter Model #:WUSB300N
Microsoft Sidewinder X8 mouse
Microsoft wireless keyboard
2x120mm case fans (will be getting 4 more soon and fan controller)
ASUS DRW-24B1ST dvd drive
HITACHI Deskstar 7K1000.C 1TB hard drive
Patriot Signature 4GB 240-Pin DDR3 memory
AMD Phenom II X6 1090T processor
Diablotek DA Series PSDA600 600W power supply
GIGABYTE GA-880GMA-UD2H motherboard (Manufacture's website)
HEC Blitz Black Steel Edition ATX Mid Tower case

If you suspect my power supply please tell me what is the minimum wattage I should have for my setup (I plan on adding a video card in the future). Also please recommend a budget priced power supply that would work for my setup. I am out of ideas at this point.
Edited by xxjdoggxx - 2/27/11 at 7:00pm
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post #2 of 46
Why didn't you go with a name brand PSU? Corsair, Silverstone, Enermax, Thermaltake.

But from the problem you described it's not the PSU, Monitor losing it's picture is almost always a Video card issue, such as overheating on the card which in turn causes the card to not shut the pc off but cut back drastically on it's output, the audio thing could very well be related to this.

It could also be a driver issue, Windows may run into a driver error with the audio/video and be unable to talk with the monitor and whatever your sound is coming out of like speakers or the monitor itself.
post #3 of 46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tunapiano;12549506 
Why didn't you go with a name brand PSU? Corsair, Silverstone, Enermax, Thermaltake.

I plan on upgrading eventually (sooner rather than later if it turns out to be the issue). I was short on cash after everything else I bought. Please tell me what the minimum wattage is that I should run. Keep in mind I will eventually be going to 16gb memory (4x4gb), a decent video card and possibly a second hard drive. I am a little behind on the technology as the last pc build I did was about 8 years ago. I'm learning as I put this all together.
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Originally Posted by Tunapiano;12549506 
But from the problem you described it's not the PSU, Monitor losing it's picture is almost always a Video card issue, such as overheating on the card which in turn causes the card to not shut the pc off but cut back drastically on it's output, the audio thing could very well be related to this.

I don't think it is overheating but I did suspect the video of being the issue as it is on board and I believe integrated with the 8 channel audio.
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It could also be a driver issue, Windows may run into a driver error with the audio/video and be unable to talk with the monitor and whatever your sound is coming out of like speakers or the monitor itself.

I installed the latest chipset, graphics and audio drivers and the problem continues. Windows keeps telling me I have the latest drivers. That is why I suspected the power supply was under powering the motherboard but I could be totally wrong. Do you think my memory voltage could be the issue as stated above? What about my bios? Any other ideas?
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post #4 of 46
Considering the Diablotek 1,000 watt psu can barely do 500watts before blowing up it's highly doubtful that this piece of junk can even do 300. Get a real PSU from the Recommended PSU List here at OCN and I'm betting it will solve your problems, if that piece of junk hasn't ruined some of your other components already.
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post #5 of 46
Eww, Diablotek, that's junk, pure and simple.

Go hunt out a decent Antec TPN 550, or something else of similar power from Antec, Corsair, Enermax, XFX... the list of good ones is long, but the list of junk is longer.
Edited by allikat - 2/27/11 at 7:42pm
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post #6 of 46
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Ok I get it, my power supply is junk. Is there anything that I could do to prove conclusively it is my power supply. I don't want to have to wait a week for a power supply only to find out it is something else and have to order a different part. Like I said I will replace it eventually and right away if I can prove that is the issue. No one has told me yet what wattage I should be looking for. Is 600w sufficient for my setup? If so can anyone suggest one around the $60 range? Otherwise I gotta wait til the end of the week to order one (I am getting sick of using my outdated laptop). I appreciate all the help so far (and the speed of the replies).
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post #7 of 46
Do you have a video card?
The current setup you listed can be run at under 600W fairly easily.
Oh, and fill in your specs in your System under User CP!
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post #8 of 46
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BeDuckie;12550103 
Do you have a video card?
The current setup you listed can be run at under 600W fairly easily.
Oh, and fill in your specs in your System under User CP!

No video card yet (planning on getting a ATI Crossfire compatible card eventually). I have not had time to update my profile as I have been busy working on my pc. I will update it now as I am waiting for more suggestions here.
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post #9 of 46
That system would run just fine on a good quality 400 watt psu. The reason why the PSU is the most likely cause is that it is the weak link. Everything else you have on that list is at the very least Medium to High quality with the exception of your extremely low quality PSU. That's why it would be the most likely item to have failed.

As for your memory, go with what the Patriot Website states is the correct voltage. It says 1.5V, but the bios default of 1.6 should be just fine. 1.8 is a bit high, but it shouldn't cause a problem. For the most part though, if there was a memory voltage problem it would cause the system to not post at all.

If you have a fast enough internet connection you could download a Linux Live CD ISO like PCLinuxOS, Ubuntu, Fedora, etc., burn the image to disk, then boot to it to see if you still have a problem. That would at least take your OS and drivers out of the equation. If it doesn't have a problem then it would be a strong indication that it is your Windows or Drivers causing problems. If it acts up as well then you have know it's a hardware issue.
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post #10 of 46
PSU is absolute junk, and is likely your problem.

The cheap motherboard with a 4+1 power phase isn't doing your 1090T any good either. Don't do any overclocking on that board wink.gif. Actually you should probably downclock your 1090T and undervolt it a little to avoid a VRM fire with it.
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