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After thinking this through and reading some other opinions my thoughts have changed…

I think the board in the news story is a special AM3 board where the socket has been modified to include the extra pin hole required to fit the AM3+ bulldozer. It seems that certain Mobo makers, in this case MSI (but seemly not ASUS), have decided to shoehorn in Bulldozer on their AM3 boards by adding the extra hole. To be clear, I think Bulldozer, the CPU itself, has the extra pin and is thus an AM3+ chip. Using an AM3 board would cripple the chip somewhat, but it is likely not a big deal (amending my earlier comments). Boards designed for AM3+ with the new 990FX chipset would have full support of all Bulldozer functions.

In my opinion the key is this; anybody who has an AM3 board that doesn’t include the extra pin hole (probably most people here) will not be able to drop in Bulldozer and be good to go with just a BIOS update.

So what is really going on here is board makers deciding to support Bulldozer on some newer AM3 boards and NOT AMD going back on their earlier statements and making some 11th hour change to allow for backward compatibility.

With this story the facts line up. Just my opinion. Feel free to disagree biggrin.gif
post #62 of 106
im sure someone will drill a hole into there am3 socket :-)
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AM3+ is supposed to have 942 pins (For comparison, AM3 has 938, AM2/AM2+ has 940). I doubt most AM3 boards will have physically compatible sockets.
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If board makers could provide a bios update to make their existing (i.e., already sold) motherboards compatible with BD, why would they? Wouldn't they rather sell you a new board?
Edited by eflat - 2/28/11 at 9:02pm
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I have a 785G Chipset, so I'd upgrade my motherboard anyway, regardless if it can support a Bulldozer CPU. smile.gif
 
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So what is really going on here is board makers deciding to support Bulldozer on some newer AM3 boards and NOT AMD going back on their earlier statements and making some 11th hour change to allow for backward compatibility.biggrin.gif

This makes sense, manufacturers & AMD have probably come to the realisation by reading forums like this one, that people are holding off buying current am3 products because of the upcoming bulldozer/am3+, so this would be there way of trying to get people to not wait and just buy a new mb now.

Anyone who is expecting bulldozer support on there current motherboard is seriously setting themselves up for disappointment. AMD would have confirmed support for AM3 by now to help sales of am3 boards/cpu's. You have to think of it from the companies perspective.
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Originally Posted by JCPUser;12559568 

All I suggested was tempered enthusiasm.


Yeah I'll have to agree with this.
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If board makers could provide a bios update to make their existing (i.e., already sold) motherboards compatible with BD, why would they? Wouldn't they rather sell you a new board?

Because AM3+ chips won't fit on most AM3 boards?

A 942 pin chip will not fit in a socket with 938 holes.
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This is just going to add to the confusion about AM3/AM3b. I guess time will tell to see what AMD has up it's sleeve.
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post #70 of 106
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Originally Posted by JCPUser;12563937 
After thinking this through and reading some other opinions my thoughts have changed…

I think the board in the news story is a special AM3 board where the socket has been modified to include the extra pin hole required to fit the AM3+ bulldozer. It seems that certain Mobo makers, in this case MSI (but seemly not ASUS), have decided to shoehorn in Bulldozer on their AM3 boards by adding the extra hole. To be clear, I think Bulldozer, the CPU itself, has the extra pin and is thus an AM3+ chip. Using an AM3 board would cripple the chip somewhat, but it is likely not a big deal (amending my earlier comments). Boards designed for AM3+ with the new 990FX chipset would have full support of all Bulldozer functions.

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So what is really going on here is board makers deciding to support Bulldozer on some newer AM3 boards and NOT AMD going back on their earlier statements and making some 11th hour change to allow for backward compatibility.

With this story the facts line up. Just my opinion. Feel free to disagree biggrin.gif

This. Thanks dude saved me the trouble of typing wink.gif
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